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Bridging The Religious Divide (3)
"Bridging The Religious Divide" has been one of TC's most popular threads, so popular that its size has again become unwieldy for the system.

So I've frozen Divide (2) and Welcome to Divide (3).

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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)
Politics of God continued from Bridging 2 to 3:
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/magazine/19Religion-t.html

 

Nanna

 

This piece has prompted a lot of reaction, Nanna. This next one suggests a Chinese solution to the religious "problem" and so, in sensitivity to our non-monotheistic friends

 

Mark Lilla's article in last Sunday's NYT Magazine has been circling through my mind all week.  While he does a great job explicating the ways in which modernization does not fully eradicate our tendency toward religion, which he refers to as "theotropism," the overall analysis of what I will call here the problem of religion would be stronger if it included some reference to ancient Chinese philosophical perspectives.
     First, let me say what I mean by the "problem of religion."  I do not mean to suggest that religion is only or always simply a problem.  Obviously, many, many people find meaning and solace in one or another form of religion.  The problem comes when religious ideas, especially the notion of an omniscient and singular God figure as an ultimate source of truth and meaning, inspire absolutist and fundamentalist ideologies, just as Lilla suggests.  He describes the problem right at the start of his piece:

The twilight of the idols has been postponed. For more than two centuries, from the American and French Revolutions to the collapse of Soviet Communism, world politics revolved around eminently political problems. War and revolution, class and social justice, race and national identity — these were the questions that divided us. Today, we have progressed to the point where our problems again resemble those of the 16th century, as we find ourselves entangled in conflicts over competing revelations, dogmatic purity and divine duty. We in the West are disturbed and confused. Though we have our own fundamentalists, we find it incomprehensible that theological ideas still stir up messianic passions, leaving societies in ruin. We had assumed this was no longer possible, that human beings had learned to separate religious questions from political ones, that fanaticism was dead. We were wrong.

     The big problem arises when fundamentalist religious thinking impels people to kill one another - and we have seen too much of that historically.  It should be said that religion is not the only instigator of mass violence; rather, Lilla focuses only on the problem as it relates to religion.

To read on:

http://uselesstree.typepad.com/useless_tree/2007/08/chinese-solutio.html

Liz

 

 


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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/03/us/03prayerbook.html?em&ex=1188964800&en=ed6875b947feb814&ei=5070

Now the [US] nation’s largest Jewish movement, Reform Judaism, is preparing to adopt a new prayer book that was intended to offer something for everyone — traditionalists, progressives and everyone else — even those who do not believe in God.

The changes reveal a movement that is growing in different directions simultaneously, absorbing non-Jewish spouses and Jews with little formal religious education while also trying to appeal to Jews seeking a return to tradition.

Traditional touches coexist with a text that sometimes departs from tradition by omitting or modifying some prayers and by using language that is gender-neutral. References to God as “He” have been removed, and whenever Jewish patriarchs are named — like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, so are the matriarchs — like Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah. The prayer book took more than 20 years to develop and was tested in about 300 congregations. ...

The Reform movement, which originated in Germany in the 19th century, claims 1.5 million members in 900 congregations in North America. There are about 5.2 million Jews in the United States, according to the National Jewish Population Survey, conducted from 2000 to 2001.


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Well, I dunno...as a fixer-upper of various technical problems, I am unsure that goats will do the trick. Glad that SAS' symbol isn't Odin...

Goats sacrificed to fix Nepal jet

Nepal's state-run airline has confirmed that it sacrificed two goats to appease a Hindu god, following technical problems with one of its aircraft.

Nepal Airlines said the animals were slaughtered in front of the plane - a Boeing 757 - at Kathmandu airport.

The offering was made to Akash Bhairab, the Hindu god of sky protection, whose symbol is seen on the company's planes.

The airline said that after Sunday's ceremony the plane successfully completed a flight to Hong Kong.

"The snag in the plane has now been fixed and the aircraft has resumed its flights," senior airline official Raju KC was quoted as saying by Reuters. ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6979292.stm

Nanna

 

 


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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on September 5, 2007 3:24 PM

after Sunday's ceremony the plane successfully completed a flight to Hong Kong.

Q.E.D.

For me humans are more important than animals...

Jacek


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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6981326.stm

Archbishop Desmond Tutu has become the patron of South Africa's Barbecue (Braai) Day, saying the pastime is a unifying force in a divided country. …

"We have 11 different official languages but only one word for the wonderful institution of braai: in Xhosa, English, Afrikaans, whatever," he said.

"We've shown the world a few things. Let's show them that ordinary activities like eating can unite people of different races, religions, sexes... short people, tall people, fat people, lean people," he added. (via Harper’s Magzine)
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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)

Originally written by Arthur Borges on August 23, 2007 6:18 PM
"Bridging The Religious Divide" has been one of TC's most popular threads, so popular that its size has again become unwieldy for the system.
So I've frozen Divide (2) and Welcome to Divide (3).

Indeed, seen politically 'Bridging The Religious Divide' has survived two coup attempts and is in its 3rd term, a rare feat. This could be attributed to the nature of issues at debate; neither too hot to burn themselves out nor too cold to freeze into a standstill (as has happened to some threads). Its title is inviting as opposed to isolating so we should expect more diverse participation as more are beckoned to have their say.

Nashon


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Hi Nashon!
Actually, when the moddies were discussing the idea of creating a "Top 25 Threads" feature, some of us worried that it might make TC look like a bunch of flamethrowing loonies and only when it went up did we see that the translation community looks quite as it should: strong concern with social issues, communication and the upgrding of our job skills.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam were founded on very tribal principles designed to defend an ethnic identity, e.g. very specific dietary rules and the dogma that the tribe's chief divinity is the only true, correct one. Therefore they are barriers to communication and understanding across these artificial borders and deserve attention in a specific thread.

The thread obviously hasn't united all members under one faith, as it shouldn't (!), but serves well its purpose, which is to raise awareness about about how believers of different faiths think and function and thus, what you can and cannot say in such "cross-border" communication.

For my part, I like the metaphor about "surviving two coup attempts' (no one has ever complained about it, let along asked for a freeze), but it would be more accurate to say the thread is into its third incarnation.


[Diedit oleh Arthur Borges pada September 14, 2007 8:57 PM]

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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on September 5, 2007 9:24 PM

Nepal's state-run airline has confirmed that it sacrificed two goats to appease a Hindu god, following technical problems with one of its aircraft.  

Another Hindu god (this time in India) is in the news (as reported by Pakistan's The News):

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=72430

Premier Manmohan Singh on Friday put on hold the half-billion-dollar plan to dredge sandy shoals in a strip of sea between India and Sri Lanka after Hindus objected, saying the formation was created by the god Ram.
According to the Hindu epic Ramayana, the islands were built by an army of monkeys to allow Ram to cross the Palk Strait that separates India and Sri Lanka and rescue his kidnapped wife.



[Diedit oleh Shiong-Fong Lew pada September 16, 2007 10:34 PM]

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RE: Bridging The Religious Divide (3)
Originally written by Shiong-Fong Lew on September 17, 2007 4:30 AM

According to the Hindu epic Ramayana, ...

Time for an "According to the Vatican." Snippets from http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9f4ea546-5da4-11dc-8d22-0000779fd2ac.html:

On the cobblestones outside the great 8th century mosque in Córdoba, once the largest mosque in the western world, Mansur Escudero, a Spanish convert to Islam, unfolds his prayer mat and kneels down to pray.

Muslims are not allowed to pray inside. The Roman Catholic Church, custodian of the building since the 13th century, says it would "confuse" Christians to see Muslims worshipping there. Mr Escudero has lobbied the Vatican to transform the Córdoba mosque into an ecumenical place of worship, - "a symbol of religious tolerance and co-existence," he says - but his campaign has not met with success. ...

"Reconquest? For what, and for whom?" asks Tolba Sidi Mohammed, a translator from Mauritania who lives in Granada. "Most Muslims who have settled in Spain have come fleeing hunger, or political persecution, or both. So the idea that we are bent on reconquering Spain is absurd," he says.


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