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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on January 5, 2009 1:57 AM Anyway, I'm tired of communist-front International ANSWER running amok here in San Francisco, protesting outside my building (which houses the Israeli consulate...) and spraying "Free Palestine" graffiti all over the financial district. What a bunch of savages. But they're sure to be back on Monday, with the SFPD in tow (what is all that extra policing costing the taxpayer?!).
I suppose with Abbas due on Monday in New York to put a personal face into the appeal for a ceasefire, the U.S. would have to make a stand whether to let peace-dove Abbas down and risk a detrioration of ground support for Abbas and an increase in global security costs at a time of economic downturn. No?
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on January 4, 2009 6:31 PM
Originally written by Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz on January 4, 2009 5:59 PM
[...]
....There was no substantial rocket fire from Gaza during the ceasefire until Israel launched an attack last November 4th directed at what it claimed were Palestinian militants in Gaza, killing several Palestinians. ...
[...]
A question keeps running through my mind.
If Hamas had the money and the means, would it retaliate in kind?
Would Hamas launch attacks to kill as many Israelis as Israel has killed Palestinians? You know: an eye for an eye.
Nanna
Another one runs in mine rather than:
If... Would ?
How many are REALLY dead until this morning ?
521 among which more than third are children and women
How many are REALLY wounded ?
More than 2300.
Another question:
Who is FAUST?
Answer: someone who sold his soul to the devil (Evil) to have power or something selfish that is equivalent. Some say he is just anyone who follows his bad instincts. Be it killing instincts, supporting killers in any way.
Fausts of our times are the Troika who rules in Israel: Levny, Barak, Olmert.
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on January 4, 2009 6:57 PM
I'm tired of communist-front International ANSWER running amok here in San Francisco, protesting outside my building (which houses the Israeli consulate...)
Move to Warsaw! My house is next to the Israeli Embassy and the demonstrations here are very orderly.
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 11:14 AM
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on January 4, 2009 6:57 PM I'm tired of communist-front International ANSWER running amok here in San Francisco, protesting outside my building (which houses the Israeli consulate...)
Move to Warsaw! My house is next to the Israeli Embassy and the demonstrations here are very orderly.
Do NOT move to Odense, where a Palestinian shot at and hurt two Israeli businessmen at their place of work.
"To israelske forretningsdrivende blev ramt af skud og såret, da en formodet palæstinensisk gerningsmand i går åbnede ild mod dem i Rosengårdscentret i Odense kl. 15.20, da centret var fyldt med mennesker på nytårsindkøb. ..."
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
What interests me is whether there is any new thinking on either side, which would be the only way to move forward. Or are we still 100% stuck in ancient mantras which have proved pretty ineffective over the last 60 years?
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 12:46 PM
What interests me is whether there is any new thinking on either side, which would be the only way to move forward. Or are we still 100% stuck in ancient mantras which have proved pretty ineffective over the last 60 years?
Thank you, Jacek, from all my heart, that is bleeding for my people in Gaza right now. Thank you so much for this peaceful message. I really appreciate it.
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 12:46 PM What interests me is whether there is any new thinking on either side, which would be the only way to move forward. Or are we still 100% stuck in ancient mantras which have proved pretty ineffective over the last 60 years?
A position shared by all freedom friends and peaceful people in the world, from all parties, all religions, all countries. But things did not change since 1948 when these exclusive photos (first time ever published) that I can see in another Translators Community were taken: http://www.arabswata.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18585 Salaam
Post updated because: 5 minutes ago an Aljazeera, we have seen two families arrive in Al-Shifa Hospital: The first WAS family of 7 members (father, mother and 5 children) all killed by Israeli bombs; the second WAS a family of 5 members (father, mother and 3 children) of whom ONLY the father survived.
I was hearing on Aljazeera that what is happening in Gaza is the wildest genocide and war crime that mankind has even known. And I was telling to myself that the analyst was somehow exagerating probably. But when I was told that it is the first time that the volume of bombs launched on Gaza during the first week only was 10 TIMES as much as what the Yankees launched on Vitenam during the whole war there, I understood then, and I started to say too: THIS IS THE WILDEST GENOCIDE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. But how can people know, if TV channels show 2 or 3% of what's happening?
[Edited by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on January 5, 2009 8:56 AM]
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Many people would like to blame everything happening on one single side, i.e. Hamas. This article might enlarge our horizons. I've said many times, here and in other threads, what I think about Hamas in particular, and about war in general. I am not going to waste my energy on repeating it again. I'll continue to post my articles, since spreading the information is the only thing I can do to help my people.
For those interested, the UNRWA has launched an Special Appeal for Gaza: http://www.un.org/unrwa/
And now, the article, reminding us once again that things aren't as easy as we would like them to be.
Israel Has No Intention of Granting a Palestinian State
If Hamas Did Not Exist
By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN
Let
us get one thing perfectly straight. If the wholesale mutilation and
degradation of the Gaza Strip is going to continue; if Israel’s will is
at one with that of the United States; if the European Union, Russia,
the United Nations and all the international legal agencies and
organizations spread across the globe are going to continue to sit by
like hollow mannequins doing nothing but making repeated “calls” for a
“ceasefire” on “both sides”; if the cowardly, obsequious and supine
Arab States are going to stand by watching their brethren get
slaughtered by the hour while the world’s bullying Superpower eyes them
threateningly from Washington lest they say something a little to their
disliking; then let us at least tell the truth why this hell on earth
is taking place.
The
state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the
Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to
do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of
the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as
it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today.
It has nothing to do with some conjured-up “war” – a cynical and
overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale
enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that
dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn’t want one of
the Empire’s obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land.
This
crisis has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, justice or peace. It
is not about Mahmoud Zahhar or Khalid Mash’al or Ismail Haniyeh. It is
not about Hassan Nasrallah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. These are all
circumstantial players who have gained a role in the current tempest
only now that the situation has been allowed for 61 years to develop into the catastrophe that it is today. The
Islamist factor has colored and will continue to color the atmosphere
of the crisis; it has enlisted the current leaders and mobilized wide
sectors of the world’s population. The primary symbols today are
Islamic – the mosques, the Qur’an, the references to the Prophet
Muhammad and to Jihad. But these symbols could disappear and the
impasse would continue.
There
was a time when Fatah and the PFLP held the day; when few Palestinians
wanted anything to do with Islamist policies and politics. Such
politics have nothing to do with primitive rockets being fired over the
border, or smuggling tunnels and black-market weapons; just as Arafat’s
Fatah had little to do with stones and suicide bombings. The
associations are coincidental; the creations of a given political
environment. They are the result of something entirely different than
what the lying politicians and their analysts are telling you. They
have become part of the landscape of human events in the modern Middle
East today; but incidentals wholly as lethal, or as recalcitrant,
deadly, angry or incorrigible could just as soon have been in their
places.
Strip
away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the
servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the
Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony;
for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet
you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the
racism and bigotry, the egotism and hedonism that we try so hard to
cover up with our sophisticated jargon, our refined academic theories
and models actually help to guide our basest and ugliest desires. The
callousness with which we in indulge in them all are endemic to our
very culture; thriving here like flies on a corpse.
Strip
away the current symbols and language of the victims of our selfish and
devastating whims and you will find the simple, impassioned and
unaffected cries of the downtrodden; of the ‘wretched of the earth’
begging you to cease your cold aggression against their children and
their homes; their families and their villages; begging you to leave
them alone to have their fish and their bread, their oranges, their
olives and their thyme; asking you first politely and then with
increasing disbelief why you cannot let them live undisturbed on the
land of their ancestors; unexploited, free of the fear of expulsion; of
ravishment and devastation; free of permits and roadblocks and
checkpoints and crossings; of monstrous concrete walls, guard towers,
concrete bunkers, and barbed wire; of tanks and prisons and torture and
death. Why is life without these policies and instruments of hell
impossible?
The
answer is because Israel has no intention of allowing a viable,
sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of
allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it
was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no
intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the
1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the
remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted
UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the
overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive
full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if
it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied.
It
had no intention of acknowledging Palestinian national rights at the
United Nations in 1974, when –alone with the United States—it voted
against a two-state solution. It had no intention of allowing a
comprehensive peace settlement when Egypt stood ready to deliver but
received, and obediently accepted, a separate peace exclusive of the
rights of Palestinians and the remaining peoples of the region. It had
no intention of working toward a just two-state solution in 1978 or
1982 when it invaded, fire-bombed, blasted and bulldozed Beirut so that
it might annex the West Bank without hassle. It had no intention of
granting a Palestinian state in 1987 when the first Intifada spread
across occupied Palestine, into the Diaspora and the into the spirits
of the global dispossessed, or when Israel deliberately aided the newly
formed Hamas movement so that it might undermine the strength of the
more secular-nationalist factions.
Israel
had no intention of granting a Palestinian state at Madrid or at Oslo
where the PLO was superseded by the quivering, quisling Palestinian
Authority, too many of whose cronies grasped at the wealth and prestige
it gave them at the expense of their own kin. As Israel beamed into the
world’s satellites and microphones its desire for peace and a two-state
solution, it more than doubled the number of illegal Jewish settlements
on the ground in the West Bank and around East Jerusalem, annexing them
as it built and continues to build a superstructure of bypass roads and
highways over the remaining, severed cities and villages of earthly
Palestine. It has annexed the Jordan valley, the international border
of Jordan, expelling any ‘locals’ inhabiting that land. It speaks with
a viper’s tongue over the multiple amputee of Palestine whose head
shall soon be severed from its body in the name of justice, peace and
security.
Through
the home demolitions, the assaults on civil society that attempted to
cast Palestinian history and culture into a chasm of oblivion; through
the unspeakable destruction of the refugee camp sieges and
infrastructure bombardments of the second Intifada, through
assassinations and summary executions, past the grandiose farce of
disengagement and up to the nullification of free, fair and democratic
Palestinian elections Israel has made its view known again and again in
the strongest possible language, the language of military might, of
threats, intimidation, harassment, defamation and degradation.
Israel,
with the unconditional and approving support of the United States, has
made it dramatically clear to the entire world over and over and over
again, repeating in action after action that it will accept no viable
Palestinian state next to its borders. What will it take for the rest
of us to hear? What will it take to end the criminal silence of the
‘international community’? What will it take to see past the lies and
indoctrination to what is taking place before us day after day in full
view of the eyes of the world? The more horrific the actions on the
ground, the more insistent are the words of peace. To listen and watch
without hearing or seeing allows the indifference, the ignorance and
complicity to continue and deepens with each grave our collective shame.
The
destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no
authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately
control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to
accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the
equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular
movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian
law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people
will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. Those dreaming of one state
must be forced to ask themselves what Israel would do to a population
of 4 million Palestinians within its borders when it commits on a daily, if not hourly basis, crimes against their collective humanity while they live alongside
its borders? What will suddenly make the raison d’etre, the
self-proclaimed purpose of Israel’s reason for being change if the
Palestinian territories are annexed to it outright?
The
lifeblood of the Palestinian National Movement flows through the
streets of Gaza today. Every drop that falls waters the soil of
vengeance, bitterness and hatred not only in Palestine but across the
Middle East and much of the world. We do have a choice over whether or
not this should continue. Now is the time to make it.
Jennifer Loewenstein is the Associate Director of the Middle East Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She can be reached at amadea311@earthlink.net
[Edited by Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz on January 5, 2009 11:04 AM]
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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 12:46 PM
What interests me is whether there is any new thinking on either side, which would be the only way to move forward.
To understand what I will now metaphorically say will require a deep reflection as it is not of immediate literal application to the conflict at hand, but in the long run it can bear fruit. It is but one example of what 'new thinking' means. It means for everybody to think 180o
differently than before. Any signs of that anywhere yet?
Tsukahara Bokuden (1489 - 1571) was a famous swordsman. He was widely regarded as a kensei (sword saint). He was the founder of a new Kashima style of fencing, and served as an instructor of the provincial governor.
Bokuden learned the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu from his adopted father and later honed his skills by engaging in musha shugyo (warrior's ascetic training), traveling throughout Japan and training with most of the skillful and knowledgeable swordsmen of the day. After receiving a divine inspiration from the deity Takemikazuchi no kami, he named his martial system as Kashima Shinto-ryu. He also, for a brief period, called his system Mutekatsu-ryū ("winning without hands").
In one anecdote, Bokuden was challenged by a mannerless ruffian. When asked about his style, Bokuden replied that he studied the "Style of No Sword." The ruffian laughed and insultingly challenged Bokuden to fight him without a sword. Bokuden then agreed to fight the man without his sword but suggested they row out to a nearby island on Lake Biwa to avoid disturbing others. The ruffian agreed, but when he jumped from the boat to the shore of the island, drawing his blade, Bokuden pushed the boat back out, leaving the ruffian stranded on the island. Bokuden explained, "This is my no-sword school." (Edited from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukahara_Bokuden)
To understand the reasons for the ambivalence of Hamas on reconciliation with Fatah we need to examine the internal political divisions within Hamas which resulted from its January, 2006 electoral victory over Fatah. In the process, Hamas took control of a political entity, the Palestinian Authority, which was the creation of the Oslo Accords that it rejected. As such Hamas' participation, let alone victory in the election signified a de facto recognition of Israel and a two-state peace deal that was the very basis of the Oslo Peace Accords. This de facto recognition of the state of Israel became more explicit with the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in June. Despite this, however, Hamas' hardliners like Mahmoud Zahar noted that Hamas would never recognize Israel.
Following their electoral victory, the contradictions within Hamas rapidly multiplied and then coalesced around three factions within the organization. The first one was led by Ismail Haniya, which realized that Hamas would need to be more pragmatic as a governing party than when it was in opposition. Here they took their cue from Hamas-controlled municipalities like Qalqilya which were compelled to develop working relationships with local Israeli municipalities if it wanted to ensure continuous water and electricity supplies to its inhabitants. Haniya's faction was also aware that the Palestinian Authority was heavily dependent upon aid from the United States and the European Union. Washington, alone, had spent more than US $1.7 billion to combat poverty, improve infrastructure and promote good governance in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Haniya's faction of Hamas realized that all governance entail compromise and therefore was prepared to affect a rapprochement with Fatah, Israel and the West. Ahmed Youssef, a senior political adviser to Hamas leader Ismail Haniya sent a letter to US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice saying, "Many people make the mistake of presuming we have some ideological aversion to making peace. Quite the opposite, we have consistently offered dialogue with the US and the EU to try and resolve the very issues that you were trying to deal with in Annapolis." Youssef has also stated: "Hamas proposes a long-term truce during which the Israeli and Palestinian peoples can try to negotiate a lasting peace".
Haniya also wanted to reach a deal with Israel about Israeli soldier, Corporal Gilad Shalit, captured by Hamas fighters in June 2006. This deal however was torpedoed by Khaled Meshal, the Head of Hamas' Politburo who lives in exile in Damascus. Meshal and the people close to him constitute the second faction within Hamas. Ideologically they stand between Haniya's pragmatic approach and the hardliners.
This hardline faction is led by former foreign minister Mahmoud Zahar, head of the military wing, Ahmad Jabari, and former Interior Minister Said Siyam. This faction is pressing for an escalation of aggression against both Fatah and Israel. …
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