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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 11:00 AM

I prefer to post other facts and data. You have my private email if you need more explanations. Thank you.



I don't, Ouadoud. Be and rest reassured. But so many others that read this thread, may. Thanks for explaining.

Ann-Christine

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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 12:30 AM

Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?

Hi. I think if the world was more about feeling than cold reasonable understanding it would be a better place. This is only my wishy washy statement. We may never be able to understand other nations, and other cultures, yet we do not have to kill them, just try to find the human connection . 


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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Thank you, Ann-Christine, for the articles about Nurit Peled-Elhanan. I read more about her and from her, and found in her words indeed a very good answer to my question.

At least the young people who follow her lessons at Hebrew University hear something different, maybe the begin to think differently.

A question: Egypt did open the border to Gaza a couple of months ago. Why could it not do it again, at least to let through what people most urgently need?
Because the Egyptian government got under the pressure of the US or Israeli government? Or was the situation too difficult to control?


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RE: A Palestinian Point of View

This said, I really don't like this losing time in this grammatical nonsense

This is not grammatical nonsense.  As a fellow linguist you know that word choice reflects thoughts.  Scott has decided that everyone thinks like he does, and used "us" in the West.  When you respond the same way, you are validating that there is one blob of an "us".  I do not want to be associated with such an "us".  I am an individual and prefer to stay that way.

Therefore the distinction is an important one.  You are asking whether those people to whom Scott refers to as this limited "us" are aware of certain things - not every single person who lives in the West.

Peace!

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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Thank you Maxi. I was very very tired, and reacted the wrong way. i apologize in fact to Ann-Christine.

Originally written by Liliana Boladz-Nekipelov on November 24, 2008 11:47 AM

Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 12:30 AM

Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?

Hi. I think if the world was more about feeling than cold reasonable understanding it would be a better place. This is only my wishy washy statement. We may never be able to understand other nations, and other cultures, yet we do not have to kill them, just try to find the human connection . 



Hello Liliana,

Thanks for your answer. Here is food for feelings (I don't mean to be cynic, I AM JUST SUFFERING):

Number of Palestinian children held in detention by Israeli authorities:
Monthly average in 2007 = 357

Jan. 2008 = 327
Feb 2008 = 307
Mar 2008 = 324
Apr 2008 = 324
May 2008 = 337
June 2008 = 323
July 2008 = 324
Aug 2008 = 293

Monthly average of Palestinian children killed by Israel in Gaza Strip + West Bank
in 2005 = 52
in 2006 = 126
in 2007 = 43

Number of Palestinian children killed by Israel in Gaza Strip - Direct Conflict
Jan 2008 = 4
Feb 2008 = 10
Mar 2008 = 26
Apr 2008 = 21
May 2008 = 6
June 2008 = 2


For more information: UNICEF (Christine Gale) 02-5840400
Source : http://www.ochaopt.org/documents_opt_humanitarian_monitor_no28_2008_08_english_tables.pdf
Salaam,
Ouadoud





[Redagavo Abdelouadoud El Omrani November 24, 2008 7:32 AM]

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RE: A Palestinian Point of View

Hi, Ouadoud. I probably used the wrong sentence as a quotation  with the word understanding. I was influenced by the previous discussion about the West understanding the problem . I think it is more important to find the human side in us, the human beings, rather than  to understand, in cold blood, the resons for conflicts  and things like that. There are certain  things we will never  be able to solve looking for reasons to things, nor will we ever be able to understand certain cultural conditioning.

 

To summorize: we should do something to stop the killings, on either side, or anywhere in the world, rather than understand the reasons for killing. 



[Redagavo Liliana Boladz-Nekipelov November 24, 2008 7:58 AM]

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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Chani D on November 24, 2008 12:00 PM

At least the young people who follow her lessons at Hebrew University hear something different, maybe the begin to think differently.



I hope so too, Chani. I admire that woman so much and respect her deeply.



A question: Egypt did open the border to Gaza a couple of months ago. Why could it not do it again, at least to let through what people most urgently need?
Because the Egyptian government got under the pressure of the US or Israeli government? Or was the situation too difficult to control?



I hope Abdallah will step in with a better answer.

Egypt opens the border every now and then. During the 'eid after Ramadan, it was open for some days. People who needed medical care or who study abroad could leave Gaza, but not anybody else.
I haven't read any Arabic newspaper for days now, but last time I checked borders were completely closed again.
I think Egypt has to obey to what others say, in order not to lose its strategic and political importance in the area. Not only US and Israel, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas play a roll too.
Egypt was extremely disappointed when Hamas collapsed the Egyptian effort for negotiations, some two weeks ago. Hamas had put free political prisoners (from Fateh) and expected the PA to do the same. That never happened though, so Hamas refused to participate in the negotiations.

Just a quick, not well documented answer.

Ann-Christine

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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Liliana, I agree totally with you. I have tried very often in the world where I live ie Arabic Muslim to take position against all kinds of fanatism and extremism. I am against people who take religion as means of power, against those who speak in the name of God rather than in the name of the humans that they are, against those who preach alone and pretend that you obey their orders. This is in this side.

On the other side, it is good to call a dog a dog and not to call a wolf a lamb. Israel is criminal. But I really respect soooo many Jews and I am fully ok with them. The problem in forums as a rule, is that people read just the post and there is no background, so you have often, very often, to explain again.

Salaam,

Ouadoud

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RE: A Palestinian Point of View

See, I do not know too much about Israel. It was always somehow awkward for me to learn or even think about it. The Jews sufferd a lot in Poland, not necessarily as a result of the Poles, but rather the nazis, but regardless of that the Poles were labeled very often as anti-Semites. I just guess I never wanted to touch the Israeli problem, afraid that I may find something which would  make me think that somethig was wrong with the creation of the state of Israel. 

I just thought, let them be happy, they suffred enough.  I personally only knew two Jewish people in Polsnd, or more precisely in Silesia, and I did not see them  any different  than the rest of the people, but i have noticed they felt a little bit less secure in Poland than other high school students.  This was over 20 years ago.  I do not know what it is like now. I do not even know if there are any observant Jewish people in Poland.  I like different  religious traditions, as long as they do not overshadow the basic which is in most religions,  the love of another human being.


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RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 12:30 AM
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on November 23, 2008 7:07 PM

...  This aspect of the political dynamics of the Arab world is barely understood by us in the West.

 


Hi Scott;

Since you speak in the collective name of "us in the West". Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?

Good answer...though not to the question I asked.  I didn't even ask my question of you, but I suppose you could try (again) to answer it.  Admittedly, the question can probably be answered without reference to Jews, blockades, rocket launches, etc., and as such might not be of interest.

The collective "we" is understood by anyone literate in English as not applying to every single person.  But, sure, for the more pedantic among you: Do you believe that the relation between extended family structure and political dynamics in the Arab world is well understood among those Westerners who are casual observers of the Middle East?

If the question still lacks specificity, please advise so that I can try to recast it in a way you all can understand.

 

 



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