Elite Veteran Mother tongues: Arabic, Swedish Posts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France
RE: A Palestinian Point of View
The Association of the French-Palestinian Solidarity (Association France - Palestine Solidarité) has just sent me this, for those of you who speak French:
We sure can show that we care. Those of you interested can continue clicking . You will read about the boats that reached Gaza from Cyprus, and many ohter things. You can also leave solidarity messages to the Gazans on the same site, if you click on 'Join Us'. I first thought of pasting everything here, but it's too long, and some would say I've gone too far...........
Ann-Christine
[Edited by Laurent Chiacchierini on November 18, 2008 2:33 PM]
Expert Mother tongues: Arabic, French Posts: 2093 Joined: February 5, 2003 Location: Qatar
RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Thanks David and Chani,
Abdallah is indeed an excellent witness, as he lives in occupied Palestine.
We sometimes do not realize the perverse effects of what Israel does. Let's take the example of stopping fuel supply. Electricity plants need fuel to produce electricity, and that means that it produces shortage of electricity. These very days, Gazans are praying God that it dooesn't rain, although the rain season should start for the benefit of agriculture. Why don't they want rain then? Answer: since there's no electric power, the pumps that manage used waters (black waters) do not function and the collection basins are full of used waters. If it rains the basins will leak and used waters will go in the soil and mix with clean waters, producing a possible catastrophe: shortage of drink water, and/or its contamination... One very single and simple effect of the perverse moves of Israel. Just imagine a second what do people resent.
And when it comes to talks, you hear such rubbish as: they should stop launching missiles on Israeli colonies, we are losing patience and we are going to attack Gaza.
They should stop launching missiles. But nobody tells you that some months ago, there was not ONE single missile launched until Israel started to slaughter Hamas and other resistence organizations leaders. There is an average of 5 persons killed weekly among fighters and civilians.
Attacking Gaza is something Israeli Government does for one single reason: to satisfy blood thirsty Shass party and other fanatics that rule in Israel and who still believe in that old perverse dream of Eretz Israel (a great Israel extending on many Arab countries). It is crazy how stupid such thought is: can't these people see that they will never fulfill such a dream, if it was possible, it would have been done decades ago. They are instead losing the historic occasion of having a State recognized by Arabs. Reason: they want Jerusalem as thei only capital.
Salaam,
Ouadoud
[Edited by Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz on November 18, 2008 4:38 PM]
Many thanks for your contribution and support. One just tries to shed light on a dimmed spot to which the international community officially turns a blind eye.
Well, you are right with regard to the points you raised and elaborated. Yesterday Israeli gunboats arrested four foreigners and a number of Palestinian fishermen. They resumed their acts of harassment and attacks on the Palestinian fishermen and foreign supporters who came in solidarity with Gaza to end the unlawful siege.
The Israeli Occupation Forces resumed its attacks against the Palestinian fishermen; arresting them and destroying their fishing boats. I believe no one can accuse them of violating any rules because they were only 6 nautical miles off the Gaza shore. They are out there only to make a living. The Israeli gunboats open fire on them from time to time day and night to intimidate them and to restrict their access to fishing zones afforded in the mutual agreements between the Palestinian National Authority and Israel.
According to the Oslo Accords, the Palestinian fishermen are allowed to access a 12-nautical-mile fishing zone off the Gaza Strip shore. However, they are attacked and arrested inside the Palestinian territorial waters.
The IOF harassments include opening fire of heavy guns towards fishing boats, using water cannons to throw sewage water with high pressure at the Palestinian fishing boats, and even hitting small fishing boats and drowning them. This is in addition to arresting fishermen after forcing them to strip naked in mid-sea and swim in cold water.
Fishermen are denied access to deeper water and deprived from better opportunities to fish in their own waters.
Regarding the power plant, the IOF stopped pumping fuel supplies into Gaza. By the way, the PNA pays money for this fuel and it is not a charity. The aforementioned press releases explain the critical conditions of public and health services as a result of prolonged power failure.
This is indeed a collective punishment by all means, which is criminalized in the international laws. Officials of the international community just continue to speak nonsense and bullshit the Palestinians. The day before yesterday the UK foreign minister visited Ramallah and met with the Palestinian President. To my surprise, he was speaking about the Road Map of 2003 and that the Israeli settlements are obstructing the two-state solution. For God's sake, I don't need to listen to someone stating the obvious. The Palestinians have enough of such crippled official stands.
I strongly believe that all what Israel is doing is undermining Israel itself. This proves its weak position to encounter the Palestinians ideologically. Although Hamas and Fateh are misled and have been fighting over power, the Palestinian people are the ones to last to the end, not Hamas or Fateh. The harder Israel pushes the Palestinians, the stronger the Palestinians become. They are strong believers in what they want and in what they do. Siege and military machine failed, and will continue to fail, to undermine the Palestinians' resolve and determination to realize their dream of a Palestinian State.
I don't care how others may interpret my post but I only care for my people who are burdened with the most lethal, inhuman and unethical occupational force on earth.
Thanks to everyone who shows understanding and sympathy with us. However, I am not expecting the international community or anyone else to realize our dream because we, the Palestinian People, will undoubtedly overcome at the end and time will tell.
Elite Veteran Mother tongues: Arabic, Swedish Posts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France
RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Well, thank you, Abdallah. Your message does send chills into my spine.
Please continue to inform us about what is going on. And yes, we, the Palestinians, will overcome, by our force and will. I dare hoping for it, and it is hope that keeps me going on. My heart goes out to everyone in Gaza.
Extreme Veteran Mother tongues: French, German Posts: 504 Joined: July 4, 2006 Location: Spain
RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Thank you for both links, Ann-Christine. And thank you Ouadoud for explaining us why Gazans are afraid of rain: we just could not imagine that if nobody told us.
Dear Abdallah,
Originally written by Abdallah Ali on November 19, 2008 2:42 AM
I strongly believe that all what Israel is doing is undermining Israel itself. This proves its weak position to encounter the Palestinians ideologically. Although Hamas and Fateh are misled and have been fighting over power, the Palestinian people are the ones to last to the end, not Hamas or Fateh. The harder Israel pushes the Palestinians, the stronger the Palestinians become. They are strong believers in what they want and in what they do.
I hope the Israelis who are in favour of peace will one day be able to convinced their government that this is not the right way. I hope that better days will come where the Palestinians will be free to live and work and travel like they want, without being afraid of power cuts and contaminated water. I hope I will still be alive (??) to read one day that Israel - Palestina - Libanon and Syria have become a kind of Benelux, a place where people live together and talk another language as the language of guns.
Abdallah, I wish you the best for you and your family and please, keep us informed here. It is not useless. Thank you
Elite Veteran Mother tongues: Arabic, Swedish Posts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France
RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Chani D on November 19, 2008 3:40 PM
I hope the Israelis who are in favour of peace will one day be able to convinced their government that this is not the right way. I hope that better days will come where the Palestinians will be free to live and work and travel like they want, without being afraid of power cuts and contaminated water. I hope I will still be alive (??) to read one day that Israel - Palestina - Libanon and Syria have become a kind of Benelux, a place where people live together and talk another language as the language of guns.
So beautiful, Chani. I also hope it, from all my heart.
Thank you so much, Chani, for your support and concern. I really appreciate it, specially these days. I talked to my sister yesterday who is in Palestine right now. She told me there were no words to describe what she feels. I am also in a state of mixed feelings myself. I try to put myself in the shoes of another woman, also a freelance translator, who is dependent of power and of Internet to make a living, but who has neither. I try to think of a 9 years old girl, as my daughter, who has to wake up in the dark, spend her school-day in the dark, and go home in the dark, to frustrated parents who don't have the time or the energy to reassure her. I try to think of a 5 years old boy, as my son, who wakes up to the sound of gunshots and bombs, instead of waking up to the kisses and cuddles of his mother. And I feel so endlessly awful about it. I can't put a name on the persons I am talking about, but there is a very strong tie between me and them anyway- we are all Palestinians. They are my people. I know I would have liked to have the Palestinian nationality. I know I would have liked to continue to live in Palestine. I know I would have liked to be able to go there and to stay for a year of two, if I can't live there. But I also know that I can't, just because I am Palestinian. I also know the anxiety I go through, each time that I enter or leave Tel Aviv, each time with fewer and fewer people who are originally from Palestine, who all have to go through Jordan to enter Palestine. And with all this I often ask myself: Does anyone care?
That's why I really appreciate your sympathy, Chani, and I am very grateful for it. I appreciate that you show that you care, because in the middle of all this, we need human beings, with warmth, with feelings of sympathy and solidarity, to show us that we're not alone, that there are people who actually care, that someone shares our dream of a free and independent Palestine.
Ann-Christine
[Edited by Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz on November 20, 2008 6:26 AM]
Thanks so much for your kind words. I do hope for a more peaceful atmosphere where all peace-loving people would live in peace of mind and harmony.
Thanks Ann-Christine for your input. Living with agony is beyond description. I think so many times before taking my kids to the sea. I cannot think of going there without remembering the poor family of Huda Ghalia, who lost her parents and siblings because of Israeli shells at the sea shore. I am sure you remember her story and the video footage.
I believe sane people think about how to live peacefully and construct not to live in agony and destruct. I assure the whole world that I and my people want to live in peace and raise our kids like so many others do all over the world.
UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS CALLS FOR AN IMMEDIATE END TO THE ISRAELI BLOCKADE OF GAZA
18 November 2008
United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay called today for an immediate end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza. “By function of this blockade, 1.5 million Palestinian men, women and children have been forcibly deprived of their most basic human rights for months. This is in direct contravention of international human rights and humanitarian law. It must end now,” she said. The High Commissioner further called for the Israeli authorities to facilitate the urgent passage of essential humanitarian goods, including food, medical supplies, and fuel, to immediately allow the restoration of electricity, water and other essential services, and to lift movement restrictions preventing the passage of civilians for medical, educational and religious purposes. “Decisive steps must be taken to preserve the dignity and basic welfare of the civilian population, more than half of which are children,” she added. While welcoming the decision by Israel to allow a limited number of trucks to enter Gaza on 17 November, the High Commissioner recalled the Occupying Power’s obligation to fully cease all measures that are inconsistent with its obligations under international law. “Only a full lifting of the blockade followed by a strong humanitarian response will be adequate to relieve the massive humanitarian suffering evident in Gaza today.” Calling on all sides to respect international law and the security of civilian populations, the High Commissioner also appealed for a complete cessation of Israeli air strikes and incursions, and of rocket fire by Palestinian groups.
A few hours after the High Commissioner made her statement, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs criticized her statement with an oblivious press release.
Below is a press release by Al Mezan for Human Rights on the issue.
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Reference: 101/2008
Date: 19 November 2008
Press Release
Collective Punishment and Rights Violations Cannot Be Justified; Al Mezan Condemns the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs' Attempt to Justify the Illegal Siege of Gaza
Yesterday, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights called for an immediate end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza. In response, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) released a statement expressing its shock by what it called the one-sided statement by the High Commissioner. Al Mezan condemns the Israeli MFAs' assertion which attempts to validate gross violations of human rights and humanitarian law while the welfare and wellbeing of 1.5 million people in Gaza deteriorate so rapidly.
The High Commissioner's statement came after mounting reports about the human rights and humanitarian impacts of the Israeli siege. Israel has been enforcing this siege for many years, but particularly intensified recently. During the past fourteen days, food, medical and fuel supplies have been suspended under a decision by the Israeli Minister of Defense. Israel portrays the siege as an unavoidable response to mortar and rocket attacks on Israeli towns and military posts in Gaza's vicinity.
As a human rights organization based in the Gaza Strip, Al Mezan has been monitoring the situation with much concern. Facts on the ground indicate that the policy of siege dominates Israel's policies towards Gaza for many years. The siege had been imposed years before the first home-made rockets were fired towards Israel. In addition, the siege had been in place during the past five months; even when a truce was agreed between military groups in Gaza and Israel. Israeli officials have frequently set the record by asserting that the policy of siege aimed to pressurize the population to bring about political gains. During the past four years, the supplies Israel allowed into Gaza failed to meet the minimum needs of the population. This policy created a constant state of vulnerability and practically destroyed the economy and infrastructure. The humanitarian impacts have been dire, with a level of unemployment revolving around 35-40% and of poverty around 80%. Industry and construction have been halted, and agriculture is seriously affected.
Today, the siege causes shortages in electricity and fuel supply. It severely affects the local authorities' ability to pump water to neighborhoods. It also affects the education and health sector in more than one way. Public health remains a source of much concern as the local authorities' ability to deal with sewage water is undermined by the lack of power and equipment. Additionally, the lack of grains and power affects the work of bakeries. The situation on the ground is getting worse every hour. Humanitarian agencies, including UNRWA, had to halt their operations because of the siege.
This reality of human misery in Gaza is not the result of unavoidable conditions. On the contrary, it is the direct outcome of policies that are designed to bring this type of effect and suffering for Gaza's population. Security concerns cannot justify contempt or disregard of international law. Israel has an obligation to ensure that its forces act in conformity with its outstanding obligations under international law. In particular, it must not resort to measures that are absolutely prohibited by international law, such as imposing a long-term siege on a 1.5 million population; the vast majority of whom have no hand in, or effect on, the ongoing conflict. It is incumbent on Israel to show that its responses are strictly militarily necessary, proportionate and distinct to avoid unnecessary harm for civilians.
The High Commissioner's statement, rightly, reminds Israel of the legal obligations it owes to the international community as well as the population of Gaza, which remains under Israeli effective control. Allowing 33 trucks of humanitarian assistance into Gaza in 14 days, as referred to by the MFA, cannot mount to the slightest fraction of Gaza population's needs.
As the siege continues, Al Mezan and other human rights actors in the region and the world remain alarmed by both its consequences and Israel's distorted rationale behind enforcing it. The conditions of conflict and emergency are the very times when human rights and humanitarian standards are most needed. Sacrificing these standards must not be tolerated for it is this type of tolerance that paved the way for grave breaches of international law to be committed with complicit silence.
Al Mezan Center welcomes the High Commissioner's statement which is in full conformity with the standards she is entrusted to promote in the world. The Center calls on the international community to take a clearer, more effective position against the policy of collective punishment of Gaza. As the experience of the past few years shows, the partial, selective and sporadic interventions by the international community have proved futile and incapable of restoring the dignity and human rights of a population that lives under occupation.
Al Mezan remains highly concerned with the language used by the Israel MFA, which reflects a clear intention to maintain enforcing, and probably intensifying, policies that contradict non-derogable international standards.
Elite Veteran Mother tongues: Arabic, Swedish Posts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France
RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdallah Ali on November 19, 2008 8:42 AM
Yesterday Israeli gunboats arrested four foreigners and a number of Palestinian fishermen. They resumed their acts of harassment and attacks on the Palestinian fishermen and foreign supporters who came in solidarity with Gaza to end the unlawful siege.
The Israeli Occupation Forces resumed its attacks against the Palestinian fishermen; arresting them and destroying their fishing boats. I believe no one can accuse them of violating any rules because they were only 6 nautical miles off the Gaza shore. They are out there only to make a living. The Israeli gunboats open fire on them from time to time day and night to intimidate them and to restrict their access to fishing zones afforded in the mutual agreements between the Palestinian National Authority and Israel.
And here is an example of what it can look like:
Another one:
The fishermen are shouting: "khalas, khalas", all the time, which means something like: "enough" or "stop", but in vain.
According to the Oslo Accords, the Palestinian fishermen are allowed to access a 12-nautical-mile fishing zone off the Gaza Strip shore. However, they are attacked and arrested inside the Palestinian territorial waters.
The IOF harassments include opening fire of heavy guns towards fishing boats, using water cannons to throw sewage water with high pressure at the Palestinian fishing boats, and even hitting small fishing boats and drowning them. [...]
Fishermen are denied access to deeper water and deprived from better opportunities to fish in their own waters.
Here is what a peace activist, on one of the solidarity boats to break the siege, says about it:
I think so many times before taking my kids to the sea. I cannot think of going there without remembering the poor family of Huda Ghalia, who lost her parents and siblings because of Israeli shells at the sea shore. I am sure you remember her story and the video footage.
I do. The footage can also be found on You Tube. However, I have decided not to post any links here. I don't know where the limit goes for what is 'too much', so I better refrain. Mind you, life is so funny. You think many times before taking your kids to the sea, I think many times that I'd like to take my kids to that sea. I hope I will one day.
Ann-Christine
[Edited by Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz on November 20, 2008 8:42 AM]
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