Posted: January 5, 2009 10:48 AM | Post #166133—in reply to #166132 |
Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz
Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Arabic, SwedishPosts: 922 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France | RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on January 5, 2009 4:21 PM
The war going on in Gaza has nothing to do with the fruit peels (i.e. Hamas) it is the expression of a military state founded after the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in 1948 and continuing ever since.
Now, the state in question was founded by victims of Second World War. A war in which a race was considered an underrace, i.e. the Jews. The victims were given Palestine, and they behaved as their prosecutors. Their once-prosecutors became their allies against another victim, considered again as an under-race: Muslims this time.
Conclusion: the racist governments that caused Second World war are still in place and behaving the same way. Only one thing changed, the name of the victims. That explains why a good part of the Western Nomenklatura supports so blindly Israel. This is the only frame that allows me to understand the West hatred, grudge and crimes.
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But Ouadoud, please don't forget the Christians. They are as much Palestinians as the Muslims and suffering at least as much from the occupation. I just got this forwarded by a friend. And I had seen it on al-Jazeerah the same day it took place. I wished I was there too. It was beautiful, because they were just Palestinians, united for a fair cause, not Muslims or Christians.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50370&hd=&size=1&l=e
Church of Nativity priest: 2,000 years after Christ Palestinians crucified everyday
Najib Farrag
Jan 4, 2009
Bethlehem / – Demonstrations took place throughout East Jerusalem and
the West Bank today, with the Bethlehem governorate hosting mass
marches after morning church services.
In the city some 300 people took to the streets upon completion of
prayers in the Church of Nativity. Father Samuel Fahim delivered a
sermon focusing on justice in the holy land before hundreds of people
descended on Manger Square.
The Roman Catholic pastor said that injustice still prevails after
Jesus Christ was targeted 2,000 years ago. "The Palestinian people are
crucified everyday by the Israeli enemy."
Sun overtook winter clouds for part of Sunday as thousands took to the
streets in protest of the Israeli attacks on Gaza that have killed at
least 500 Palestinians in just over a week.
Under black flags of mourning and the red, white, green and black of
Palestine, local Christians and Muslims in Manger Square and the
streets of Bethlehem called for a "final end to the Israeli occupiers."
Father Fahim announced public "dismay and condemnation over what is
happening in the Gaza Strip which is sustaining terrible massacres
against the defenseless Palestinian people." He prayed, "We ask the
Lord to protect the citizens in the Gaza Strip and return life to
normal, and to bring a just peace to the region instead of war."
Bethlehem’s Mayor Dr. Victor Batarseh joined the Mass and the march
saying, "What is happening is a massacre in the Gaza Strip, it is a war
of genocide and state terrorism aimed against the entire Palestinian
people." The mayor asked, as so many have, that the "international
community of nations and the European Union move to stop this horrible
massacre in Gaza and to all of the Palestinian people."
Another Bethlehem resident, Issa Qaraqa’ of the Palestinian Legislative
Council, said that the "Palestinian people will not allow the Israeli
enemy to continue the carnage." He said that the Israeli "scheme has
already been dashed to pieces against the Palestinian steadfastness."
A demonstration began in Bethlehem’s Dheisha Refugee Camp later this
afternoon, bringing hundreds of people into the streets in protest of
the ongoing Israeli attacks.
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Posted: January 5, 2009 10:53 AM | Post #166134—in reply to #166132 |
Jacek K. TC Master
Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on January 5, 2009 4:21 PM
the racist governments that caused Second World war are still in place and behaving the same way. | Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic which now holds the EU presidency, has an allergy to the European Union his country now heads. That allergy, please correct me if I am wrong, can be summarized with one slogan: "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Euro". In other words, Klaus's opinion seems to coincide with Ouadoud's, although in a completely different context. Yet, Mr Klaus prefers to cohabit with what he considers an enemy instead of conducting military operations against it. As I said in the introduction to my Japanese tale, this is of no immediate application to the Middle East but maybe, just maybe, one day (= Post #140481) cohabitation will become an option as an alternative to the daily killings.
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Posted: January 5, 2009 11:01 AM | Post #166135—in reply to #166132 |
Nanna Mercer
Expert    Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9024 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on January 5, 2009 4:21 PM
The war going on in Gaza has nothing to do with the fruit peels (i.e. Hamas) ... | I am sure, Ouadoud, that you know better, and so I will leave off. My position on the Palestine question can be found in this and other TC threads, so I will not repeat myself, but encourage everyone to think outside the box. Nanna
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Posted: January 5, 2009 11:14 AM | Post #166137—in reply to #166116 |
Yaotl Altan
Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Spanish, ItalianPosts: 686 Joined: September 8, 2005 Location: Mexico (removed) | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Nanna Mercer on January 5, 2009 5:27 AM
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 11:14 AM
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on January 4, 2009 6:57 PM I'm tired of communist-front International ANSWER running amok here in San Francisco, protesting outside my building (which houses the Israeli consulate...) | Move to Warsaw! My house is next to the Israeli Embassy and the demonstrations here are very orderly. | Do NOT move to Odense, where a Palestinian shot at and hurt two Israeli businessmen at their place of work. Nanna PS: I believe AC can read this: http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20081231/danmark/712310035/ "To israelske forretningsdrivende blev ramt af skud og såret, da en formodet palæstinensisk gerningsmand i går åbnede ild mod dem i Rosengårdscentret i Odense kl. 15.20, da centret var fyldt med mennesker på nytårsindkøb. ..." MT: http://gramtrans.com/ | Unfortunately, Europe has to face with such sad episodes as long as it keeps supporting xxxxxx Israel. That's a high risk to deal with because the Israeli genocide against Palestinians may be spread to Israeli citizens in Europe.
This post has been edited by a TC admin in order to remove an insulting remark. The author will face appropriate consequences.
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Posted: January 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Post #166138—in reply to #166137 |
Jacek K. TC Master
Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: A Palestinian Point of View It's true that the current financial meltdown has shown that Homo sapiens sapiens can be a completely irrational and irresponsible species on a global scale, with a totally unpredictable behavior.
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Posted: January 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Post #166139—in reply to #166131 |
Jacek K. TC Master
Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Nanna Mercer on January 5, 2009 3:46 PM
My understanding of Hamas is that the political divisions and factions within Hamas are what is causing many of the current problems. | It is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with: http://www.progressive.org/mag/avnery010209.html
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Posted: January 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Post #166142—in reply to #166139 |
Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz
Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Arabic, SwedishPosts: 922 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France | RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 5:50 PM
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on January 5, 2009 3:46 PM
My understanding of Hamas is that the political divisions and factions within Hamas are what is causing many of the current problems. | It is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with: http://www.progressive.org/mag/avnery010209.html |
Just as mentioned here too: Post #166128
[...] or when Israel deliberately aided the newly
formed Hamas movement so that it might undermine the strength of the
more secular-nationalist factions. [...]
Ann-Christine
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Posted: January 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Post #166143—in reply to #166142 |
Jacek K. TC Master
Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Needless to say that the new thinking is expected of politicians, wherever in the world, and not ME soldiers.
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Posted: January 5, 2009 12:52 PM | Post #166145—in reply to #166139 |
Nanna Mercer
Expert    Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9024 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on January 5, 2009 5:50 PM
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on January 5, 2009 3:46 PM
My understanding of Hamas is that the political divisions and factions within Hamas are what is causing many of the current problems. | It is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with: http://www.progressive.org/mag/avnery010209.html | I did not know that! I am open to revision. No matter how much information we seek to assimilate and understand with an eye and an ear toward being informed, it is often very difficult to know when we have been had by the 'mis' and 'dis' people. Thank you, Jacek, for the link! Nanna
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Posted: January 5, 2009 1:06 PM | Post #166148—in reply to #166145 |
Yaotl Altan
Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Spanish, ItalianPosts: 686 Joined: September 8, 2005 Location: Mexico (removed) | Do you, as Europeans citizens, support the weapons sales from your countries to Israel? I do not support that kind of military and security agreements. Those weapons has been used for attack purposes, rather than defense.
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