Posted: November 21, 2008 8:21 AM | Post #162558—in reply to #162534 |
Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz
 Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Arabic, SwedishPosts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Liliana Boladz-Nekipelov on November 21, 2008 11:34 AM
The problem, Anna, with wars and the Israeli-Palestynian problem is not so much in being proud in ones country and understnding the other country, but more in being human, and following the basics of one's religions rather thanthe peripherals of one's religion. The basic things in all religions, at least to my knowledge are the same, don't kill, love one another, maybe put into different words. Even real human morality of an atheist can benefit from these comandments, when taken seriously. I think until the time people attain compassion comparable to somebody like Dalai Lama, they should follow commandments, and perhaps one day they will attain the momentaneous feeling of right and wrong within, without any commandments. The problem is that the basic things in religion, which can probably be summorized in ten words are ironically totally neglected, giving place to elaborate theologis. All the best. | Thank you very much for bringing us to spirituality, Liliana.
I think you're right. Palestinians are in general believers. But many actually pray without praying, say they belong to a religious confession without doing so. Of course there would be no war if everyone could obey to the simple commandments of the religions. Fridays and Sundays, so many mosques and so many churches always pray for peace in Palestine. But how many people continue to pray for peace once they've left the church or the mosque? I'm not sure we will have a hand full, unfortunately. There is a Palestinian village called Taybeh, where they have launched an initiative of The Peace Lamp. The idea is not to stop the prayer for peace and to have as many churches as possible participate in it. Wonderful, isn't it? Ann-Christine
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Posted: November 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Post #162773—in reply to #162241 |
Scott Rasmussen
 Mother tongue: English Joined: April 28, 2004 Location: United States | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Abdallah Ali on November 19, 2008 2:42 AM
Dear Ann-Christine and Wadoud, Many thanks for your contribution and support. One just tries to shed light on a dimmed spot to which the international community officially turns a blind eye. | Here's a piece of reporting on Gaza. Since you live there, can you tell us how accurate you think this article is? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f55acd80-b509-11dd-b780-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1
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Posted: November 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Post #162777—in reply to #162773 |
Abdallah Ali
 Regular   Mother tongue: ArabicPosts: 53 Joined: September 19, 2003 Location: Palestinian Terr., Occupied | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on November 23, 2008 5:16 PM
Originally written by Abdallah Ali on November 19, 2008 2:42 AM
Dear Ann-Christine and Wadoud, Many thanks for your contribution and support. One just tries to shed light on a dimmed spot to which the international community officially turns a blind eye. | Here's a piece of reporting on Gaza. Since you live there, can you tell us how accurate you think this article is? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f55acd80-b509-11dd-b780-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1 | I skimmed the article after reading the first part of it. It tells much of the truth of what happened during that period of time. I commented on that before and said that both Fateh and Hamas are misled and fight over power, but both won't last for good. The Palestinians have never known such internal fights. I am against the irrational use of power and excessive force and no one can deny the fact that Hamas used it in different occasions. Mind you, Hamas is the one who prevents firing rockets towards Israel since the truce of 14 June 2008.
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Posted: November 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Post #162797—in reply to #162777 |
Scott Rasmussen
 Mother tongue: English Joined: April 28, 2004 Location: United States | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Thanks. I guess I really wanted to know about the accuracy of the reporting on the relationship between the clans and politics. Nearly everyone I've spoken to from the Arab world says that it's almost impossible to understand local politics without being aware of how the extended family interfaces with the political system. This aspect of the political dynamics of the Arab world is barely understood by us in the West.
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Posted: November 24, 2008 12:30 AM | Post #162822—in reply to #162797 |
Abdelouadoud El Omrani TC Master
 Expert     Mother tongues: Arabic, FrenchPosts: 2093 Joined: February 5, 2003 Location: Qatar | RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on November 23, 2008 7:07 PM
... This aspect of the political dynamics of the Arab world is barely understood by us in the West. |
Hi Scott; Since you speak in the collective name of "us in the West". Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?
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Posted: November 24, 2008 3:17 AM | Post #162828—in reply to #162822 |
Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz
 Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Arabic, SwedishPosts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France | RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 6:30 AM
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on November 23, 2008 7:07 PM
... This aspect of the political dynamics of the Arab world is barely understood by us in the West. |
Hi Scott; Since you speak in the collective name of "us in the West". Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?
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Well, Ouadoud. Is this a collective question, or what? You know very well that at least two "Westerners" -God knows how much I hate these terms- who have participated recently, and whom you have thanked for their participation, do.  Many others from the West have been participating in this thread, that you have created yourself. I am sure you haven't forgotten all their points of view.
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 18, 2008 4:56 PM
Thanks David and Chani, |
Are you sure we should be blaming everyone in the West for what is happening in Palestine? Your question is so unfair for many people in the West, who take of their time and money to go to help the Palestinians to pick olives, each year. Or for people who organise conferences, concerts and the like to inform about the situation in Palestine. Others who refuse to use another soap than the Palestinian one from Nablus, or who only buy Palestinian olive oil. If Scott is showing how little he knows about "us in the West", do you have to follow his example? Ann-Christine
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Posted: November 24, 2008 5:00 AM | Post #162833—in reply to #162828 |
Abdelouadoud El Omrani TC Master
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Originally written by Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz on November 24, 2008 9:17 AM
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 6:30 AM
Originally written by Scott Rasmussen on November 23, 2008 7:07 PM
... This aspect of the political dynamics of the Arab world is barely understood by us in the West. |
Hi Scott; Since you speak in the collective name of "us in the West". Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?
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Well, Ouadoud. Is this a collective question, or what? You know very well that at least two "Westerners" -God knows how much I hate these terms- who have participated recently, and whom you have thanked for their participation, do.  Many others from the West have been participating in this thread, that you have created yourself. I am sure you haven't forgotten all their points of view.
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 18, 2008 4:56 PM
Thanks David and Chani, |
Are you sure we should be blaming everyone in the West for what is happening in Palestine? Your question is so unfair for many people in the West, who take of their time and money to go to help the Palestinians to pick olives, each year. Or for people who organise conferences, concerts and the like to inform about the situation in Palestine. Others who refuse to use another soap than the Palestinian one from Nablus, or who only buy Palestinian olive oil. If Scott is showing how little he knows about "us in the West", do you have to follow his example? Ann-Christine
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Hello Ann-Christine,
My question was in English and easily understandable.
It means: considering that/ since/departing from the point/putting as hypothesis that... Scott says "us in the West..." I just question him, and the proof is that I said: Do you in the West... changing the pronoun that was originally: we in the West, it questions therefore mainly his speaking in the name of the West.
This said, I really don't like this losing time in this grammatical nonsense. I prefer to post other facts and data. You have my private email if you need more explanations. Thank you.
Salaam
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Posted: November 24, 2008 5:14 AM | Post #162837—in reply to #162833 |
Ann-Christine Nassar-Pateffoz
 Elite Veteran      Mother tongues: Arabic, SwedishPosts: 923 Joined: September 23, 2004 Location: France | RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 11:00 AM
I prefer to post other facts and data. You have my private email if you need more explanations. Thank you.
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I don't, Ouadoud. Be and rest reassured. But so many others that read this thread, may. Thanks for explaining.
Ann-Christine
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Posted: November 24, 2008 5:47 AM | Post #162840—in reply to #162822 |
Liliana Boladz-Nekipelov
Expert        Mother tongues: Polish, EnglishPosts: 2930 Joined: September 13, 2008 Location: United States | RE: A Palestinian Point of View Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 24, 2008 12:30 AM
Do you in the West understand that people are starving, some are dying because of the siege?
| Hi. I think if the world was more about feeling than cold reasonable understanding it would be a better place. This is only my wishy washy statement. We may never be able to understand other nations, and other cultures, yet we do not have to kill them, just try to find the human connection .
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Posted: November 24, 2008 6:00 AM | Post #162843—in reply to #162531 |
Chani D
 Extreme Veteran  Mother tongues: French, GermanPosts: 504 Joined: July 4, 2006 Location: Spain | RE: A Palestinian Point of View
Thank you, Ann-Christine, for the articles about Nurit Peled-Elhanan. I read more about her and from her, and found in her words indeed a very good answer to my question.
At least the young people who follow her lessons at Hebrew University hear something different, maybe the begin to think differently.
A question: Egypt did open the border to Gaza a couple of months ago. Why could it not do it again, at least to let through what people most urgently need? Because the Egyptian government got under the pressure of the US or Israeli government? Or was the situation too difficult to control?
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