Dikirim: June 25, 2008 5:07 AM | Entri #149380- membalas #139177 |
Jacek K. TC Master
Bahasa ibu: Polish Bergabung: February 18, 2003 Lokasi: Poland | RE: Concerning punctuations and quotation marks. Back to Has modern life killed the semicolon? http://www.slate.com/id/2194087/
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: June 25, 2008 5:39 AM | Entri #149384- membalas #142467 |
Nanna Mercer
Expert     Bahasa ibu: English, DanishJumlah entri: 9032 Bergabung: February 12, 2005 Lokasi: Denmark | RE: Double space after a period Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on April 3, 2008 3:19 PM In her description of the translation process, Lucja Biel (http://accurapid.com/journal/44freelancer.htm) points out that as part of the quality assurance the translator shouldRemove any double spaces from her translation. Right. However, there are still organizations, believe it or not, that use double spacing after a period. ... |
Yes, and what do you do when the source has double spacing? I usually remove the double spacing, but I always have an uneasy feeling that I am in the wrong. Nanna
[Diedit oleh Nanna Mercer pada June 25, 2008 5:41 AM]
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: June 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Entri #149420- membalas #98316 |
Jonathan Downie
Elite Veteran      Bahasa ibu: EnglishJumlah entri: 845 Bergabung: March 9, 2008 Lokasi: United Kingdom | RE: Concerning punctuations and quotation marks. I always double space. If only because it was how I was taught and I have seen no real push to the contrary. Mind you, I add in punctuation after letter closes (Kind regards, yours sincerely, etc) so I may be just old-fashioned.
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 7:17 AM | Entri #151071- membalas #142467 |
Janus Jacquet
Extreme Veteran       Bahasa ibu: DanishJumlah entri: 392 Bergabung: May 7, 2004 Lokasi: Denmark | RE: Double space after a period | Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on April 3, 2008 3:19 PM http://www.painintheenglish.com/post.php?id=68: For all of you haters of the double-space after a full-stop, I hate to tell you that I am writing a style guide for my organization that will include it as a rule. We create very formal documents. To ensure the documents are as intelligible as possible, we will use two spaces. I do not care what font you use. Laziness is acceptable in today's culture many places, but I will not allow it in the documents I edit. We also use 1-inch margins instead of the MS Word default of 1.25 inches because we need to fit as much information into as little space as possible while not neglecting our need to be as succinct as possible. | Interesting that someone who is obviously very much against ‘laziness’ would nonetheless write a style guide that codifies what is originally itself a sign of laziness: the double-space. Were he interested in maintaining optimal intelligibility and readability in his organisation’s “very formal documents”, he should codify the usage of the character the double-space is a lazy typewriter workaround for: the em space. Then again, he does seem to refer to Microsoft Word as a guiding line or standard for page layout, so I’d say his blather can be dismissed fairly easily. Link inserted by the moderator
[Diedit oleh Nanna Mercer pada July 19, 2008 7:42 AM]
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 7:47 AM | Entri #151072- membalas #151071 |
Jeff Allen
Expert       Bahasa ibu: EnglishJumlah entri: 1682 Bergabung: December 23, 2004 Lokasi: France | correcting citation, not from Jacek but by "Scott" at another site Thanks Nanna for inserting that link. I saw it at the same time. It points to a statement by a (Scott | Aug-7-07 1:28PM) in the discussion at http://www.painintheenglish.com/post.php?id=68: | Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on April 3, 2008 3:19 PM http://www.painintheenglish.com/post.php?id=68: For all of you haters of the double-space after a full-stop, I hate to tell you that I am writing a style guide for my organization that will include it as a rule. We create very formal documents. To ensure the documents are as intelligible as possible, we will use two spaces. I do not care what font you use. Laziness is acceptable in today's culture many places, but I will not allow it in the documents I edit. We also use 1-inch margins instead of the MS Word default of 1.25 inches because we need to fit as much information into as little space as possible while not neglecting our need to be as succinct as possible. | It is certainly important for people who use the quote feature here on TC to check the post they are quoting and make sure that internal citations and references are not deleted. Jeff
[Diedit oleh Jeff Allen pada July 19, 2008 7:55 AM]
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Entri #151077- membalas #98316 |
Janus Jacquet
Extreme Veteran       Bahasa ibu: DanishJumlah entri: 392 Bergabung: May 7, 2004 Lokasi: Denmark | RE: Concerning punctuations and quotation marks. My apologies. In my eager to make the quoted message shorter, I must accidentally have chopped off a line too many—and then my post appeared at the top of a new page, further breaking whatever continuity there was!
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 9:09 AM | Entri #151081- membalas #151071 |
David Kallans
Expert       Bahasa ibu: EnglishJumlah entri: 1752 Bergabung: April 13, 2007 Lokasi: United States | RE: Double space after a period | Originally written by Janus Jacquet the double-space is a lazy typewriter workaround for: the em space. | Even assuming that the double-space developed as a substitute for the em space (source?), I don't see why such a development is necessarily a "lazy" one. Instead, it could be seen as a matter of efficiency. Was the development of moveable type a lazy workaround for copying books by hand? Regardless of its historical origins, I think the double space serves a valuable function, as it helps to clearly demarcate sentences, which theoretically are self-contained, if inter-related, ideas.
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 9:14 AM | Entri #151082- membalas #151072 |
Nanna Mercer
Expert     Bahasa ibu: English, DanishJumlah entri: 9032 Bergabung: February 12, 2005 Lokasi: Denmark | RE: correcting citation, not from Jacek but by "Scott" at another site Originally written by Jeff Allen on July 19, 2008 1:47 PM
...for people who use the quote feature here on TC to check the post they are quoting and make sure that internal citations and references are not deleted. ... | It was funny, Jeff, for I read the words supposedly attributed to Jacek and thought, "Hmn...does he really think that?" and I hurried to check. And as for you, Janus...you will be hung or hanged (whichever ) at dawn. Nanna
[Diedit oleh Nanna Mercer pada July 19, 2008 9:17 AM]
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 9:42 AM | Entri #151088- membalas #98316 |
Maxi Schwarz-Bastami | RE: Concerning punctuations and quotation marks. Pardon my ignorance, but what, pray tell, is an m-space? I have always used two spaces after a period or question mark. When did that change, and why? How can it be lazy to hit the space bar twice instead of once, since it's twice as much work? Confused,;:? Maxi
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |
Dikirim: July 19, 2008 9:49 AM | Entri #151091- membalas #151088 |
Nanna Mercer
Expert     Bahasa ibu: English, DanishJumlah entri: 9032 Bergabung: February 12, 2005 Lokasi: Denmark | RE: Concerning punctuations and quotation marks. Originally written by Maxi Schwarz-Bastami on July 19, 2008 3:42 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what, pray tell, is an m-space? I have always used two spaces after a period or question mark. When did that change, and why? How can it be lazy to hit the space bar twice instead of once, since it's twice as much work? | Don't ask me, Maxi. I am just the hapless moderator. Nanna, who is equally clueless
|
Balas| Buat Penawaran| Edit| Hapus |