Posted: November 28, 2008 3:07 AM | Post #163245—in reply to #163242 |
Shiong-Fong Lew
 Mother tongue: English Joined: March 28, 2004 Location: Malaysia | RE: Christian Science Monitor reporting about Islamic Finance in Britain Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 28, 2008 3:34 PM
The land of Adam Smith now teems with a vibrant Islamic banking sector, with even non-Muslims being lured by the model's promise of transparency and stability. | I suppose that it's still a willing buyer and willing seller basis. Adam Smith dealt with supply and demand. If there are potential profits to be made out of the Islmaic banking segment, I suppose the banks would consider coming out with the products especially with the Arabs filled up with oil money in recent years. Anyway, I don't suppose the "administrative fee" would be the same for a 100K house and that of a 200K house? Islamic principles aside (which I'm not interested in questioning), would there be added cost in the title transfer?
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Posted: November 28, 2008 6:08 AM | Post #163254—in reply to #51970 |
Abdelouadoud El Omrani TC Master
 Expert     Mother tongues: Arabic, FrenchPosts: 2093 Joined: February 5, 2003 Location: Qatar | I don't think administrative fees are significant. The banker in the islamic principles is a business entity, a trader. One of its most used tools is Murabaha.
Simplified explanations: You need a loan to buy a car or a house. The bank buys it and then sells it to you. it makes profit out of material assests, not out of renting or leasing money itsef, since Islamic principles state that money does not produce money by itsef.
You need cash. the bank studies your refunding capacity (mainly the salary, it needs fixed guaranteed income). It may then buy stocks for you (you decide which ones) and it sells them to you. Once you have the stocks, you sell them immediately and you have cash. You pay back in comfortable monthly payments.
There are other tools of course used in Islamic finance, as Islamic insurance for example called Takaful.
Salaam, Ouadoud
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Posted: November 28, 2008 7:27 AM | Post #163265—in reply to #163254 |
Shiong-Fong Lew
 Mother tongue: English Joined: March 28, 2004 Location: Malaysia | Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 28, 2008 7:08 PM
You need cash. the bank studies your refunding capacity (mainly the salary, it needs fixed guaranteed income). It may then buy stocks for you (you decide which ones) and it sells them to you. Once you have the stocks, you sell them immediately and you have cash. You pay back in comfortable monthly payments.
| Shall I assume that the profit sharing ratio had been decided in advance as the asset had already changed hands so that the scheduled payments would not change in a falling interest rate environment (such as presently on a global basis)? Thus the borrower would not have the shceduled repayment reduced, just as not having the repayment increased in a rising interest rate environment?
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Posted: November 28, 2008 10:09 PM | Post #163311—in reply to #51970 |
Abdelouadoud El Omrani TC Master
 Expert     Mother tongues: Arabic, FrenchPosts: 2093 Joined: February 5, 2003 Location: Qatar |
Yes, once the profit sharing (division) has been established through a contract between the seller (bank) and the buyer (customer) it doesn't change. Exception: the client has very serious problems (death, bankruptcy), at that point Takaful (Islamic insurance, or exactly Islamic solidarity to be precise) arranges the situation.
BTW, you know who are the leaders of Islamic finance? Malaysians. Kuala Lumpur is probably the most important center for Islamic financial studies and research. There's an academy and many institutions among which IFSB (see website)
Salaam
[Edited by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 28, 2008 10:26 PM]
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Posted: November 29, 2008 2:52 AM | Post #163312—in reply to #163311 |
Shiong-Fong Lew
 Mother tongue: English Joined: March 28, 2004 Location: Malaysia | Originally written by Abdelouadoud El Omrani on November 29, 2008 11:09 AM BTW, you know who are the leaders of Islamic finance? Malaysians. Kuala Lumpur is probably the most important center for Islamic financial studies and research. There's an academy and many institutions among which IFSB (see website) Salaam
| It's probably true that Malaysia is currently the leader in Islamic banking, at least in Asia. In recent years, Singapore just like many other countries had also jumped onto that bandwagon to help maintain its status as a global financial hub. With all that oil money in the Middle East, don't you think that Dubai would emerge as the global Islamic Banking leader?
[Edited by Shiong-Fong Lew on November 29, 2008 2:54 AM]
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Posted: November 29, 2008 11:41 PM | Post #163355—in reply to #51970 |
Abdelouadoud El Omrani TC Master
 Expert     Mother tongues: Arabic, FrenchPosts: 2093 Joined: February 5, 2003 Location: Qatar | Until now, Bahrain seems to attract more IF than Dubai where trading and investment is clearly bigger.
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Posted: December 2, 2008 5:48 AM | Post #163487—in reply to #163355 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | Recession? What recession? It was the usual stampede... U.S. ‘Black Friday’ Sales Rise 3% Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. holiday retail sales increased 3 percent yesterday from a year earlier, the smallest gain for a “Black Friday” in three years.... Individuals may spend an average of $616 on holiday gifts this year, down 29 percent from a year earlier, according to a Gallup Inc. poll. Retailers promoted “doorbuster” deals to attract customers yesterday, called Black Friday because it was said to be when retailers started to make their annual profit. A worker was trampled by customers and killed yesterday at a Wal-Mart Stores Inc. location on New York’s Long Island, according to local police and the company. At least four shoppers were hurt at the store in Valley Stream, located about 13 miles (20 kilometers) from New York City, Nassau County Police said in a statement. U.S. shoppers gathered by the hundreds waiting to enter malls on Black Friday, some of which threw open their doors as early as midnight. They were lined up for discounts of as much as 70 percent. Kohl’s Corp., the fourth-largest U.S. department store, opened at 4 a.m. Wal-Mart and Macy’s Inc. had a 5 a.m. start. Gap opened some locations on Thanksgiving Day.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=arRTxyMCNil4&refer=home
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Posted: December 2, 2008 6:11 AM | Post #163489—in reply to #51970 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | Who's the World's Worst Banker?
...my nominee is someone whose name may not be familiar to American audiences. He's Fred Goodwin, who until October served as CEO of the Royal Bank of Scotland. Goodwin (here's the Wikipedia entry about him) took the helm of RBS in 2000 and proceeded to turn it into an international powerhouse. Known as "Fred the Shred" for his willingness to cut costs—and jobs—he emerged as Britain's leading banker. He was even knighted in 2004 for services to banking. But the bank, which this summer was Britain's largest, is now neither Royal nor Scottish nor much of a bank. RBS's slogan is "Make it happen." A review of the record shows that Goodwin indeed made it happen. He aced every requirement for a hubristic CEO. ... The result? RBS's stock (here's a two-year chart) has lost 91 percent of its value since March 2007 and retains value thanks only to massive government intervention. A job well-done, Sir Fred! ... http://www.slate.com/id/2205753/
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Posted: December 2, 2008 7:57 AM | Post #163496—in reply to #163355 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/12/02/the_united_states_of_shopping/?source=newsletter When confronted with the news that Wal-Mart shoppers were so eager to take advantage of a Black Friday sale that they trampled an employee to death, most people are, quite naturally, appalled. My daughter, for example, was aghast: "What kind of country do we live in?" she asked, over and over again, unable to fully process the horror. I have an answer to her query, but it is unlikely to satisfy her: ....
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Posted: December 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Post #163511—in reply to #163355 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | How cheap! From http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/11/18/rich-cut-back-on-payments-to-mistresses/: According to a new survey by Prince & Assoc., more than 80% of multimillionaires who had extra-marital lovers planned to cut back on their gifts and allowances. Still, only 12% of the multimillionaire cheaters said they plan to give up on their lovers altogether for financial reasons.
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