Posted: October 24, 2008 4:39 PM | Post #159326—in reply to #159315 |
John Bunch
 Expert      Mother tongue: EnglishPosts: 1813 Joined: February 1, 2008 Location: United States | RE: To help shore up our economy... I totally agree. We live in a world economy and everything is interconnected. We live on one planet, and we share one environment, and one economic system, really. Thus, we need to all work together to prevent a worldwide depression. I think, thank God, everyone now recognizes that, and they are working hard together. Of course, we Americans recognize our large part in this problem, but the time for finger-pointing is over and we need to fix the leaks in our common boat before it sinks.
I am personally very concerned about the dangers of economic nationalism and protectionism, and I hope we can prevent that.
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Posted: October 25, 2008 1:47 PM | Post #159393—in reply to #159214 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert     Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9029 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | Originally written by David Kallans on October 23, 2008 5:46 PM All banking is faith based .... | You can say that again! Chase recently received $25 billion in federal funding... Given … that Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. had decided to use the first installment of the $700 billion bailout money to recapitalize banks instead of buying up their toxic securities, which he had then sold to Congress and the American people as the best and fastest way to get the banks to start making loans again, and help prevent this recession from getting much, much worse. In point of fact, the dirty little secret of the banking industry is that it has no intention of using the money to make new loans. But this executive was the first insider who’s been indiscreet enough to say it within earshot of a journalist. (He didn’t mean to, of course, but I obtained the call-in number and listened to a recording.) “Twenty-five billion dollars is obviously going to help the folks who are struggling more than Chase,” he began. “What we do think it will help us do is perhaps be a little bit more active on the acquisition side or opportunistic side for some banks who are still struggling. And I would not assume that we are done on the acquisition side just because of the Washington Mutual and Bear Stearns mergers. I think there are going to be some great opportunities for us to grow in this environment, and I think we have an opportunity to use that $25 billion in that way and obviously depending on whether recession turns into depression or what happens in the future, you know, we have that as a backstop.); sizingMethod="image" ref_bubble.png?, word_reference global images graphics8.nytimes.com http:>” Read that answer as many times as you want — you are not going to find a single word in there about making loans to help the American economy. On the contrary: at another point in the conference call, the same executive (who I’m not naming because he didn’t know I would be listening in) explained that …. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/business/25nocera.html?em ........... Nanna
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Posted: October 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Post #159395—in reply to #159393 |
John Bunch
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There was a good essay yesterday in the Wall Street Journal by the CEO of FedEX, about how heavily the U.S. taxes the "producing economy". The U.S., among industrial nations, has the highest corporate tax rate (35 %). In contrast, heavily-taxed Germany's rate is only 25 % (Obama wants to retain this; McCain wants to reduce ours to 25 %). The end result is not only the "outsourcing" of jobs, but also the outsourcing of our producing assets. Financial companies can be highly leveraged, but the "real economy" that produces things or moves packages, like FedEx, has to have a much lower asset to capital ratio. This hurts the U.S.
I personally am a bit "confused" by Obama: he wants to "protect" U.S. workers, while at the same time maintaining that the 35 % corporate tax rate - the very thing driving jobs offshore - is to him o.k. I don't get that.
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Posted: October 26, 2008 10:51 AM | Post #159439—in reply to #51970 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert     Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9029 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | Read on a friend's facebook profile: DUE TO THE FINANCIAL CRISIS, THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL HAS BEEN TURNED OFF.
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Posted: October 26, 2008 6:39 PM | Post #159494—in reply to #159270 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on October 24, 2008 12:17 PM
...the rating agencies also contributed to the crisis... | http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/10/credit-rating-agencies-we-sold-our-soul-to-the-devil.html For years, credit rating agencies--the referees of Wall Street--insisted they were an impartial source of information, despite their financial reliance on the companies they rated. Then came the market meltdown--and a chorus of accusations that firms had artificially inflated their risk ratings to please their clients and gain a competitive edge. And now there's plenty of evidence to suggest the "referees" were unduly influenced by the players.
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Posted: October 27, 2008 5:31 AM | Post #159506—in reply to #159393 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | Originally written by Nanna Mercer on October 25, 2008 7:47 PM
Originally written by David Kallans on October 23, 2008 5:46 PM All banking is faith based .... | You can say that again! Chase recently received $25 billion in federal funding... In point of fact, the dirty little secret of the banking industry is that it has no intention of using the money to make new loans. | And AIG Has Used Much of Its $123 Billion Bailout Loan
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Posted: October 27, 2008 2:27 PM | Post #159584—in reply to #51970 |
D. T.
 Elite Veteran     Mother tongue: EnglishPosts: 664 Joined: August 3, 2003 Location: United States (removed) | Unable to help myself, I asked (with the most serious expression) the teller at my bank how soon the funds would be available in my account as I wanted to go shopping. With just as serious an expression she said, “Oh, Mr. Tucker, the money isn’t for you. It is for the bank.” So far this bailout, rescue, or whatever other term is applied leaves a bad taste in my mouth -and no more money in my account. I guess it is going to be the same as usual for me -living within my budget. Damn, and I was wanting to go shopping.  David Treasury set to dish out financial rescue fundshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown WASHINGTON – The Treasury Department will start doling out $125 billion to nine major banks this week to get credit flowing again, giving a lift to U.S. markets on rising confidence that the government's moves would stave off a protracted recession
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Posted: October 28, 2008 4:58 AM | Post #159619—in reply to #159584 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | Cost of crash: $2,800,000,000,000 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/28/economics-credit-crunch-bank-england Piece of cake. (What do you call these figures anyway?) * * * By Paul Krugman PRINCETON, New Jersey: Economic data rarely inspire poetic thoughts. But as I was contemplating the latest set of numbers, I realized that I had William Butler Yeats running through my head: "Turning and turning in the widening gyre / The falcon cannot hear the falconer; / Things fall apart; the center cannot hold." http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/27/opinion/edkrugman.php The Second Coming
by W. B. Yeats Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15527 Jacek
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Posted: October 28, 2008 12:32 PM | Post #159688—in reply to #159584 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | Contd.: http://www.utne.com/2008-10-24/Spirituality/Financial-End-Times.aspx?blogid=28&utm_source=iPost&utm_medium=email Are Americans living in a recession or a financial apocalypse? Is now a time for prudent financial choices or a time to pray? Sean Cole reports for Marketplace that some economists are embracing the gloomy financial indicators as a sign that Armageddon is upon us. Cole talked to an “end times economist” who said that the current recession is God “saying that this world's financial system is built upon an unrighteous foundation.” The financial system has become a religious cult of its own, Peter Laarman writes for Religion Dispatches. The financial crisis was caused in part by an adherence to “economism,” a creed that Laarman describes as “the notion that every part of human life is governed by economic considerations and that everything that happens—or at least everything that matters—is reducible to human monads pursuing their rational self-interest.”
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Posted: October 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Post #159705—in reply to #159688 |
John Bunch
 Expert      Mother tongue: EnglishPosts: 1813 Joined: February 1, 2008 Location: United States | which god ? 
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