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Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Yesterday, I linked to the following article (thank you, A.):

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says forcing California's students to rely on printed textbooks is so yesterday: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hfHxHQeOOEBGeR3_JC0Hnl_DeWyAD98O2OF00

Do you agree with his decision to use more online learning materials to gradually phase out traditional printed textbooks in schools?

To me this is a generational question and I would like to see how many dinosaurs vs. modernists we have in this discussion group.

As usual, all sorts of nuanced answers are possible (Yes, but; No, but; It depends; Yes, but not everywhere and not always; No, but yes in 7.5 years, etc.) so feel free to articulate them in your replies, especially in relation to your own (grand)children, if you have any. Has the time come?

Our previous poll, run three years ago, had a different slant. The majority replied then "When I have to read online, I tend to scan and skim" (Post #90252

The question three years later, is:

Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Note the idea "starting today."  If you are for the digital in science but against it in humanities and you believe that the emphasis should be on the former, that would be the prevailing trend I am interested in. If you want to reply "Yes, but," please check "Yes." If you want to reply "No, but," please check "No." The article I linked to has some further background.

I know that this poll is unscientific, cannot prove anything, should have 97 detailed options because life is not black and white, and you simply cannot answer this question because it makes no sense whatsoever.

That's precisely why I am running this poll, as all the others before: Say it.

Option Votes
 
 

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June 13, 2009 3:15 PM
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Jacek K.
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

My main concern:

"We are at ground zero of the new network society. In this book, its major commentator reveals the Internet's huge capacity to liberate, but also its ability to marginalize and exclude those who do not have access to it." http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Sociology/EnvironmentTechnology/?view=usa&ci=9780199255771

Graph of Internet users per 100 inhabitants between 1997 and 2007 by International Telecommunication Union
Country population penetration of Internet use in 2007

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June 13, 2009 5:36 PM
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Liliana Boladz-Nekipelov
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

They don't smell like paper.


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June 14, 2009 5:37 AM
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Jacek K.
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Originally written by Jacek K. on June 13, 2009 9:31 AM

The majority replied then "When I have to read online, I tend to scan and skim" (Post #90252

As an aside, when talking about "skimming and scanning" I had something like this in mind: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_differrence_beween_scan_and_skim

I wasn't aware of the underlying ambiguity of the verb "to scan" as explained here:

Scan is another word that changed its meaning on the sly. As Jesse Sheidlower noted in a 1997 post at "Mavens' Word of the Day," "the sense 'to examine closely' is found by the mid sixteenth century, and was for a long time the main sense." By the 1920s, he said, scan had come to mean "read hastily; glance at," and nowadays we're surprised to hear it used to mean the opposite.

But what's most interesting about this, Sheidlower says, is that hardly anybody opposed the evolution of scan. The usage authorities were too busy condemning the spread of peruse as a synonym for "read" - a sense it had had since the 16th century - to fuss about scan. "The Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage," which blasted the 'loose' use of peruse, merely cautions against the confusion of the contradictory senses of scan." And the American Heritage usage panel disapproved of the casual peruse but embraced the casual scan.

Who knows why we let some changes slide by and grimly resist others of no greater significance? Peruse sounds more formal, and scan resembles skim; that alone might tempt us to assign the longer word to serious reading and let the short, snappy one lounge on the floor with a comic book. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/06/14/the_word_turns_of_phrase/?page=2

That ambiguity got reflected on this website, for example: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=798198

scan = to read with attention; this word can overlap with "to skim" at times, but you're right that it usually means "to read more diligently," in the sense that the reader attends to every part of the text.

 


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June 14, 2009 5:52 AM
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Something has clearly been lost somewhere, for when I skim and scan a page, I am reading it quickly. 

Less skimming and more scanning 

Nanna



[Edited by Nanna Mercer on June 14, 2009 5:57 AM]

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Maxi Schwarz-Bastami
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

That was a bit confusing to follow.  Apparently the article is about mechanically scanning an electronic page so that you can turn it into a printed hard copy.  It is not about different mental processes involved in reading text.  "Skimming" and "scanning" have not changed their meaning, from what I can tell.  But "scanning" can also mean the thing that you do with a mouse or a scanner (when you turn hard copy into pdf or jpg, for example).  I think I had to read the text a couple of times before catching on to what it was about.  Did anyone else share my confusion (so I can feel a bit less stupid?)

However, the original post was about the suggestion that learning material could be in a different from that text books.  I think that the Internet could be used to supplement and complete the contents of a textbook and that its potential is grossly under-used and under-exploited.  The elimination of text books for the sake of tax dollars is cynical and not thought through.

Maxi



[Edited by Maxi Schwarz-Bastami on June 14, 2009 10:42 AM]

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June 14, 2009 10:46 AM
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Originally written by Maxi Schwarz-Bastami on June 14, 2009 10:40 AM

  The elimination of text books for the sake of tax dollars is cynical and not thought through.

Maxi

I absolutely agree. What, are the students to print the materials at home at a much higher cost?


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July 6, 2009 11:47 AM
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Jacek K.
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

All right, it seems that we have managed to postpone the phasing out of textbooks for a while, at least at TC.

But a new US federal regulation bans the sale of all children’s books published before 1985 that do not meet stringent lead-content standards: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/keeping-books-safe

All that Mankind has done, thought,
gained or been: it is lying as in magic
preservation in the pages of Books.

–Thomas Carlyle

Books convey and preserve voices. Reading books from a time not our own is our most direct access to that time. Works of literature, like other art, have gone in and out of fashion, but once published, a writer’s work should remain for all generations to read. In the words of Joseph Addison, “Books are the legacies that a great genius leaves to mankind, which are delivered down from generation to generation, as presents to the posterity of those who are yet unborn.”

Imagine, then, a dystopian horror tale in which virtually all books from the past were destroyed. Unlike the censored society in Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451, old books owned by scattered eccentric individuals would be left alone, but only books from a narrow strip of the present would be publicly available for sale or lending. ... Even worse than censorship in which books are burned for content some deem objectionable, these books would be destroyed en masse, without individual consideration, only because they were not current.

That incredible scenario is actually playing out in terms of children’s books under a law meant to protect toddlers from lead contaminants in toys. Called the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA), the law was passed in August 2008—quickly, without scrutiny, and nearly unanimously—in response to the Chinese lead toy scare of 2007. The act defines its mission so broadly as to cover all “children’s products,” including children’s books. ...


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July 6, 2009 12:19 PM
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Jacek, I sincerely hope you mistook July 6 for April 1. Please say you did!


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July 6, 2009 12:21 PM
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Jacek K.
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

Let's double-check with George O. and see what he says.


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July 6, 2009 12:35 PM
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RE: Should we eliminate textbooks from schools today?

I`d rather not. Know what? I`ve just shocked my immediate environment by turning my TV set on, and am now leaving the TC for Law and Order.


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