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October 17, 2009 8:15 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Nanna Mercer on October 17, 2009 11:43 AM

One of America’s wealthiest men was among six hedge fund managers and corporate executives arrested Friday in a hedge fund insider trading case

Frankly, I don't know how you can possibly be a profitable hedge fund manager and one of America’s wealthiest men without relying on inside information...


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October 17, 2009 8:48 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Jacek K. on October 17, 2009 2:15 PM

Originally written by Nanna Mercer on October 17, 2009 11:43 AM

One of America’s wealthiest men was among six hedge fund managers and corporate executives arrested Friday in a hedge fund insider trading case

Frankly, I don't know how you can possibly be a profitable hedge fund manager and one of America’s wealthiest men without relying on inside information...

I see! Would you say that 'profitable hedge fund manager' is an oxymoron?

 

 


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October 17, 2009 9:20 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Nanna Mercer on October 17, 2009 2:48 PM

Would you say that 'profitable hedge fund manager' is an oxymoron?

Not at all if you look beyond the meaning

'profitable hedge fund manager' = the manager of a profitable hedge fund (here, you are right, since that hedge fund will not be profitable for you as customer, it is an oxymoron  )

How about

'profitable hedge fund manager' = a profitable manager of a hedge fund (here, the hedge fund is just a cover for replenishing the management's coffers which is what this game is all about anyway so it cannot be called an oxymoron  

 



[Edited by Jacek K. on October 17, 2009 9:21 AM]

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October 20, 2009 9:31 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Nanna Mercer on October 17, 2009 11:43 AM

So if you've made more than $20 million in charitable donations it's always okay to cheat and therefore a valid excuse for obtaining leniency in the courts?

No, the price of that is $200 million. From the relevant commentary at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/opinion/18rich.html?em:


 

Goldman is this century’s octopus — almost literally so. The most-quoted sentence in financial journalism this year, by Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone, describes the company as a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.” ...


[But] there is one other significant way that our 21st-century vampire squid differs from Rockefeller’s 20th-century octopus. Americans knew what oil was, and they understood how Standard Oil’s manipulations directly affected their pocketbooks. Even now many Americans don’t know what Goldman’s products are or how it makes its money. The less we know, the easier it is for reckless gambling to return to capitalism’s casino, and for Washington to look the other way as a new financial bubble inflates. ...

Blankfein may be giving $200 million to “education,” but Goldman is back to business as usual: making money by high-risk gambling, with all the advantages that the best connections, cheap loans from the Fed and high-speed trading algorithms can bring. As the Reuters columnist Rolfe Winkler wrote last week, “Main Street still owns much of the risk while Wall Street gets all of the profit.”

The idea of investing in the real economy — the one that might create jobs for Americans — remains outré in this culture. Credit to small businesses remains tight. The holy capitalist grail is still the speculative buying and selling of companies and the concoction of ever more esoteric financial “instruments.” The tragic tale of Simmons Bedding recently told in The Times is a role model. This successful 133-year-old manufacturing enterprise was flipped seven times in two decades by private equity firms. Investors made more than $750 million in profits even as the pile-up of debt pushed Simmons into bankruptcy, costing a quarter of its loyal workers their jobs so far.

Most leaders in America are against this kind of ethos in principle. Last month the president of Harvard, Drew Gilpin Faust, contributed a stirring essay to The Times regretting that educational institutions did not make stronger efforts to assert the fundamental values of pure intellectual inquiry while “the world indulged in a bubble of false prosperity and excessive materialism.” ...

What went unsaid, of course, is that some of Harvard’s most prominent alumni of the pre-Faust era — Summers, Blankfein, Robert Rubin et al. — were major players during the last two bubbles. As coincidence would have it, the same edition of The Times that published Faust’s essay also included an article about how Harvard was scrounging for bucks by licensing a line of overpriced preppy clothing under the brand Harvard Yard. This sop to excessive materialism will be a scant recompense for the $11 billion Harvard’s endowment managers lost in their own bad gamble on interest-rate swaps. ...

Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, never ceases to amaze. His daily calendars reveal that most of his contacts with the financial sector in the first seven months of 2009 were limited to the trinity of Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and JPMorgan. And last week Bloomberg News reported that his inner circle of “counselors” — key advisers who, conveniently enough, do not require Senate confirmation — are largely drawn from the same club. ...

What we also know is that if Teddy Roosevelt palled around with John D. Rockefeller as today’s political class does with Wall Street’s titans and lobbyists, the tentacles of the original octopus would still be coiled tightly around America’s neck.


[Edited by Jacek K. on October 20, 2009 9:38 AM]

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October 20, 2009 12:37 PM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis
But once again, "capitalism" operates - in every country, within the overall framework that the government sets. If there is a "crisis" of this system, then let's please mention this overall regulatory framework. And if the government is bailing the bankers out (the "free market capitalist" solution would have been to let the bankers crash and burn and deal with their own mess !).

Jacek, please remember that free market libertarians like Ron Paul were AGAINST the bailouts, and wanted to let these "fat cats" crash and burn, so that real capitalism would emerge from the rubble.

It is the liberal Keynesians with their notions of government takeovers of banks that have created this mess. So don't hang it on the free market.
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October 21, 2009 6:22 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

 

It seems to me that there is an unhealthy preoccupation with the number of zeros whenever something happens.

Zeros are dying and zeros are being born almost continuously. Isn't it time to stop making a big deal about the tenuous association between a particular event and the number of zeros that evaporated coincidentally?

The bad news is that a lot of zeros died, the good news is that there are plenty more available just like them.

So now, optimistically looking to the future:




Who Will Be the Next Carlos Slim?

First, obviously nothing can stop Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. With unfettered access to the Federal Reserve and no effective controls on their ability to take risk, they are in the catbird seat. The weakness of other big banks is further icing on their cake. GS and JPM are symbols will loom large over the national and international economy for a long time to come, with the main threat (to them) coming from their rather too blatant market share in many products.

Second, the surviving big hedge funds will do very well (partial list). They can move fast, they have no regard for anything other than profit, and they will not be effectively regulated. Their access to credit runs through the biggest banks and this can be a double-edged sword--expect more instability in the future from hedge fund-bank dynamics (as Morgan Stanley found out last fall). http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/who-will-be-the-next-carlos-slim

And that's the good news for today, folks. You just carry on.

Jacek


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October 21, 2009 7:17 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Jacek K. on October 21, 2009 12:22 PM

So now, optimistically looking to the future:

First, obviously nothing can stop Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. With unfettered access to the Federal Reserve and no effective controls on their ability to take risk, they are in the catbird seat.

 And that's the good news for today, folks. You just carry on.

Thanks, and to help celebrate the carrying on just mosey on over to Post #187337 where the piper ...

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October 21, 2009 11:52 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Jacek K. on October 20, 2009 3:31 PM

great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”

 

The Vampire Squid from Hell is Coming

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From http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/opinion/20herbert.html?em:

[snip] Call it déjà voodoo. I wrote a column that ran three days before Christmas in 2007 that focused on the deeply disturbing disconnect between Wall Streeters harvesting a record crop of bonuses — billions on top of billions — while working families were having a very hard time making ends meet.

We would later learn that December 2007 was the very month that the Great Recession began. I wrote in that column: “Even as the Wall Streeters are high-fiving and ordering up record shipments of Champagne and caviar, the American dream is on life support.”

So we had an orgy of bonuses just as the recession was taking hold and now another orgy (with taxpayers as the enablers) that is nothing short of an arrogantly pointed finger in the eye of everyone who suffered, and continues to suffer, in this downturn. ...

We cannot continue transferring the nation’s wealth to those at the apex of the economic pyramid — which is what we have been doing for the past three decades or so — while hoping that someday, maybe, the benefits of that transfer will trickle down in the form of steady employment and improved living standards for the many millions of families struggling to make it from day to day.

That money is never going to trickle down. It’s a fairy tale. We’re crazy to continue believing it.



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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Originally written by Jacek K. on October 21, 2009 5:52 PM

From http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/opinion/20herbert.html?em:

We cannot continue transferring the nation’s wealth to those at the apex of the economic pyramid — which is what we have been doing for the past three decades or so —

No! You don't say, and who is going to gainsay you? Not those at the apex. Of course you can continue channeling the wealth to the wealthy - what else should we do we it. Give it to the poor, who will drink it up, or go to the race tracks, or whore around town or take drugs and buy expensive cars and flashy clothes, all because they don't have the intelligence to know any better? 

That's just inopportune and not the way to create more wealth. How on earth will the poor create any way for that money to trickle-up? It's a fairy-tale...

Nanna


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November 5, 2009 11:28 AM
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RE: Understanding the Financial Crisis

Here's a nifty letter that really will help the uninitiated "understand the financial crisis"...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1e4cfc6a-c74f-11de-bb6f-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1

For the record: I don't think we want to abolish the SEC...yet....

As for lavishing the poor with tax monies...it's been happening for decades, with decidedly mixed results.  Here's a swell story from my own town.  Never mind that the article is from 1997; it could have been written last week.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997-05-16/news/mn-59369_1_sausalito-school-district



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