Maxi:

Think back several months. There was a guy answering in all combinations using some kind of automated translation. Wasn't it the moderators who intervened to tell him to stop it? Well, if someone just posts in all kinds of combinations and is consistently wrong, isn't this Similar Behavior? Never say Never...

Jane, if I am not the moderator, I am physically incapable of editing or deleting.

I don't understand why this is coming up now since there is now a moderator.  Are you aware that there is a moderator who I understand has taken care of the issue.

In regards to "what happens" - The behind the scenes actions of moderators are not open to public discussion for obvious reasons.  Nor do I have the time or inclination to report on what I'm doing. 

Maxi

I do not want to know what the moderators are "doing" behind the scenes. However, having been the subject of several attacks, it would seem to me that in these cases, there might be some formal acknowldgment by the site and its moderators of the legimitacy of the complaint, privately. Right? After all, I do contribute a lot, and yes, I think that those who contribute a lot should be treated with due respect as we contribute to the value of a site. Yes, to the value of the site, to use contemporary business and non-profit jargon. That is my stakeholder opinion. I know you didn't like that idea much; at least you didn't when I first mentioned it some months ago. But in these times, I think that is an appropriate way to characterize my relationship with the site. And as such, I think that the moderators should consider that. After all, the whole point of site like this is to be a community of stakeholders. If I weren't, I wouldn't even be here. Cheers.

This is not a business.  You are not a stakeholder.  I'm a volunteer and cannot spend any more time on this conversation.  It is not fruitful and leads nowhere as far as I can see. 

Any complaint you have ever sent me has been dealt with promptlly, usually within the half hour, and to my knowledge, anything you have written me has received a prompt answer.

Maxi

Maxi,

This is the last time I will attempt to communicate my idea. I am a stakeholder. Being a stakeholder has nothing to do with being in business per se.

And I do have a stake in this site. I want the site to be successful, attract a lot of good translators and good agencies. That is my stake here. All that rubs off on one, so to speak. The more successful the site, its translators and agencies, the more Everybody's Boats rise.

I respectfully suggest you look into what that means, before telling me what I am and what I am not. Stakeholding is a wonderful concept and if more people knew about it, the better the world would be.

Secondly, I am not complaining about you.  And I wish you moderators would loosen up a bit. I am merely saying that I have a right to say what I feel I need to say without being "rapped on the knuckles" like a child. I think I have a right to discuss what I think works and what I think doesn't work here. Now, if you don't have time, that's fine. Don't discuss it with me. But I don't accept that only moderators have a voice in thing. I just don't.

Frankly, I think there are others who contribute a lot too, and it would be nice to hear them as well. I don't think for one minute that this site depends only on what moderators think or do. They are also stakeholders. We all have an interest is seeing this site be successful.

Peace.

PS...Virtual Communities + Stakeholders provides lots of reading material. Just one example:

Gatekeeping in Virtual Communities: On Politics of Power in Cyberspace
Barzilai-Nahon, K.
System Sciences, 2006. HICSS apos;06. Proceedings of the 39th Annual Hawaii International Conference on
Volume 6, Issue , 04-07 Jan. 2006 Page(s): 135c - 135c
Digital Object Identifier   10.1109/HICSS.2006.193
Summary: Gatekeeping/Information Control is exercised frequently and daily in virtual communities. Gatekeeping exists in four different levels: Regulators, service providers, communities’ managers and members of communities. **The article analyzes the sensitive balance of relationships among these stakeholders. ** Additionally, it examines how information control is being exercised in forums and more specifically constructs explanatory models which explain different reasons for deleting messages in forums. The empirical examination combined qualitative and quantitative methods, integrating content analysis along aside data mining, over data of three years on 715 virtual communities. The results suggest behavior patterns of users in virtual communities that can be identified and addressed. Three levels that impact gatekeeping nature are analyzed — the gatekeepers, the community and the gated while addressing: first, the duality of gatekeepers as protectors or manipulators; second, the politics of power of marginalized groups in cyberspace and finally, the meaning of anonymity to information control through looking at history of users’ activities and gender.

Just an example of available literature on the idea of virtual community and stakeholders.

Originally written by Christen Sohnholz on November 21, 2008 8:05 AM My first experience with TC Terms was negative. ... My rant is somewhat tangental, and I apologize for that. I appreciate just a moment of hijacking. I don't post often.

On the contrary, Christen, words of wisdom like yours are always appreciated. I don't know how the point system works on Wikipedia or other collective international efforts, but here it definitely does not work.

Jacek

I agree that the point system doesn't work here and that it "makes an easy scapegoat" when so many users behave like small children fighting over a few cookie crumbs.

Whenever I venture into TCTerms again, people whose native languages have nothing to do with English try to help, which would be appreciated, but for the fact that their answers often float in outer space.

Why help when you don't have the language expertise to do so? And the answer is...?

Nanna