Posted: November 21, 2008 4:10 AM | Post #162526—in reply to #162517 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Christen Sohnholz on November 21, 2008 8:05 AM My first experience with TC Terms was negative. ... My rant is somewhat tangental, and I apologize for that. I appreciate just a moment of hijacking. I don't post often.
| On the contrary, Christen, words of wisdom like yours are always appreciated. I don't know how the point system works on Wikipedia or other collective international efforts, but here it definitely does not work. Jacek
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Posted: November 21, 2008 4:24 AM | Post #162530—in reply to #162526 |
Laurent Chiacchierini TC Master
 Expert     Mother tongue: FrenchPosts: 5568 Joined: December 31, 2003 Location: France | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on November 21, 2008 10:10 AM
... I don't know how the point system works on Wikipedia or other collective international efforts, but here it definitely does not work. |
The point system makes an easy scapegoat...
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Posted: November 21, 2008 5:07 AM | Post #162532—in reply to #162530 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert    Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9022 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Laurent Chiacchierini on November 21, 2008 10:24 AM
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on November 21, 2008 10:10 AM
... I don't know how the point system works on Wikipedia or other collective international efforts, but here it definitely does not work. |
The point system makes an easy scapegoat... | I agree that the point system doesn't work here and that it "makes an easy scapegoat" when so many users behave like small children fighting over a few cookie crumbs. Whenever I venture into TCTerms again, people whose native languages have nothing to do with English try to help, which would be appreciated, but for the fact that their answers often float in outer space. Why help when you don't have the language expertise to do so? And the answer is...? Nanna
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Posted: November 21, 2008 5:31 AM | Post #162533—in reply to #162532 |
Laurent Chiacchierini TC Master
 Expert     Mother tongue: FrenchPosts: 5568 Joined: December 31, 2003 Location: France | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 11:07 AM
... people whose native languages have nothing to do with English try to help, which would be appreciated, but for the fact that their answers often float in outer space. ...
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This is not an English-centric issue, as the same can be seen in other target languages.
It's not a matter of "native languages" but "working languages". Sometimes, native speakers of the target language fail to understand the source language properly, and this is where native speakers of the source language can prove helpful to point to the right meaning, or at least the most likely one.
Ideally, this should result in a wonderful collaborative effort to get to the best translation for the given context (if any, that is). Unfortunately, it often turns into a "I-know-my-language-better-than-you" tug-of-war .
Many people came to the forums (terminological ones or not) just for confrontation (of opinions, in the best of cases), and a point system encouraging participation only marginally aggravates this.
Laurent
[Edited by Laurent Chiacchierini on November 21, 2008 5:33 AM]
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Posted: November 21, 2008 5:46 AM | Post #162536—in reply to #162532 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 11:07 AM
people whose native languages have nothing to do with English try to help, which would be appreciated, but for the fact that their answers often float in outer space. | Does anyone know whether the same happens on the numerous wikipages? That is, whenever there is a stub article accompanied by an invitation to develop it, scores of volunteers from all over the world flock in, regardless of their language or expertise, and try to "help" by writing articles on subjects they have no clue about?
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Posted: November 21, 2008 5:52 AM | Post #162537—in reply to #162533 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert    Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9022 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Laurent Chiacchierini on November 21, 2008 11:31 AM
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 11:07 AM ... people whose native languages have nothing to do with English try to help, which would be appreciated, but for the fact that their answers often float in outer space. ... |
Ideally, this should result in a wonderful collaborative effort to get to the best translation for the given context (if any, that is).Unfortunately, it often turns into a "I-know-my-language-better-than-you" tug-of-war.
| I do not care if you speak, read and write Polish, French, Greek, Russian or Latin, what I care about is the right answer to my TCTerms question. Last, I used TCTerms, I was in a dreadful hurry and needed help. Instead, I had to write four or five polite and pleasant replies to answers that I could not use. I could easily have hammered down a DISAGREE, but I have never used it and I don't see any reason to start now. I found the answer in a few very helpful comments. Nanna
[Edited by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 6:05 AM]
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Posted: November 21, 2008 6:03 AM | Post #162540—in reply to #162536 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert    Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9022 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on November 21, 2008 11:46 AM
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 11:07 AM
people whose native languages have nothing to do with English try to help, which would be appreciated, but for the fact that their answers often float in outer space. | Does anyone know whether the same happens on the numerous wikipages? That is, whenever there is a stub article accompanied by an invitation to develop it, scores of volunteers from all over the world flock in, regardless of their language or expertise, and try to "help" by writing articles on subjects they have no clue about? | A year or so ago, a client alerted me to the Wikipedia page for my home town. "Would I please correct the information and also edit the English?" Since I work for the local tourist board, I checked the page and found several factual mistakes that I corrected. I also did a fast edit. However, the more information is added to the page, the worse it gets and I have stopped editing. So, yes, I think the lack of expertise is problematic in wiki-pages as well. Nanna
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Posted: November 21, 2008 6:48 AM | Post #162547—in reply to #162540 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 12:03 PM
So, yes, I think the lack of expertise is problematic in wiki-pages as well. | So we do have a widespread serious problem with democracy...
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Posted: November 21, 2008 6:53 AM | Post #162548—in reply to #162547 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert    Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9022 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on November 21, 2008 12:48 PM
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 12:03 PM
So, yes, I think the lack of expertise is problematic in wiki-pages as well. | So we do have a widespread serious problem with democracy... | Is that a question or a statement? Nanna
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Posted: November 21, 2008 6:59 AM | Post #162550—in reply to #162548 |
Jacek K. TC Master
 Mother tongue: Polish Joined: February 18, 2003 Location: Poland | RE: Oh Boy.....and round-up of comments Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 21, 2008 12:53 PM
Is that a question or a statement? | Yeah, I've seen questions asked with no question mark at the end...
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