Yes, David, maybe if you achieve the total compassion towards everything, you can live beyond good and evil .

Liliana

I don't know, Liliana, I am guessing, but what you describe sounds like a person with highfaluting ideas who tries to convince the rest of the world that in spite of having lied cheated and stolen his way through life, he accepts himslef and thus his actions and is therefore an enligthened being. Anyone who has lied, cheated, stolen and killed his way though life cannot be labelled an enligthened being. Not in this life anyway. And it doesn't matter how much he accepts himself or his actions. 

Many people in this world wants a piece of the pie, (whatever the pie happens to be at the moment), and in order to get that piece, they pretend enlightenment. Beware of narcissists and psychopaths.

Nanna

Hi, Nanna. I am not talking about any particular person or a teacher: I am talking about a general tendency. I do not know to which extent people are enlightened. The person can only judge his or her own enlightenment.

And for the time being, if you kill somebody you go to jail. The world cannot live beyond good and evil until it achieves the state of higher consciousness and absolute compassion.

If you had initially explained yourself this clearly (as above), I would not have pursued my particular line of inquiry. My mistake!

Nanna

And even then, I am afraid, jails will be necessary... The world can achieve a certain positive state (through genetic engineering?), but there will always be individuals who will be an exception to the rule and we will need jails to accommodate that error...

INTERVIEW WITH NOTORIOUS LAWYER JACQUES VERGÈS

'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil'

Yes, I do agree in one respect that people are not 100% evil, perhaps 99.9% in some cases, which does not mean that they should not spend the rest of their lives in jail. I am against capital punishment, regardless of circumstances. The problem of evil is more complicated than that. It is a philosophical problem and a theosophical one, rather than a problem in terms of standard morality.

Perhaps they are just taken over by the power of evil, which they cannot contol, due to some neurological problems, upbringing related problems, psychological problems, confused ideas, etc. 

Interestingly, very early in the interview Vergés says: "In every trial, a drama unfolds in front of the public, a duel between the defense and the prosecution. Both tell stories that are not necessarily true, but possible. One is declared the victor in the end, but this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with justice. "

Spiegel then keeps up the pressure strangely and incredulously not believing a word, but instead pushing Vergés to recant his defense of evil or, at the very least, explain how he can defend evil people.

Fascinating!

Nanna