Posted: November 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Post #162796—in reply to #162795 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert     Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9049 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: International debt collection Originally written by Theo Bernards on November 23, 2008 6:48 PM
Originally written by Maxi Schwarz-Bastami on November 23, 2008 12:34 PM
| also think you are too kind by not naming that person by name in this thread. |
It's not kindness - It's not allowed. | ... Surely the underlying object -naming and shaming the thief and protecting our fellow translators- warrants a mention of the person at least? | Hi Theo, Yes! We use the Hall of Fame and Shame (HFS) for that. If you are a Master member you have access. Welcome to TC. Nanna
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Posted: November 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Post #162798—in reply to #156192 |
Maxi Schwarz-Bastami | RE: International debt collection Theo, I think there are legal reasons why we can't just start naming people in the main forum. In regards to the HFS, I do not see it as a "shaming" place or even a place for blacklisting. Often it turns into a private place for solving misunderstandings and untangling things that were badly arranged. I, personaly, have learned some things about better business practices and "dumb things never to do that I might do" by seeing some issues coming to the fore. But those who are truly shameless in exploiting others are also brought to everyone's attention. It has to be done in the HFS, though. Maxi
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Posted: November 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Post #162800—in reply to #162798 |
Theo Bernards
 Regular   Mother tongue: DutchPosts: 67 Joined: October 1, 2008 Location: France | RE: International debt collection Hi Maxi, Nanna too, by the way, Here's my problem: (as a non-paying member) I have no access to the Hall of Shame and Fame. Should the fact that I am a non-paying member of sites as TC and other, similar sites, mean that I am more exposed to the customer that did a fast one on Andreas? There are, as I suspect, a lot of non-paying members and while I fully agree to the principle of correct professional behaviour, what methods are available to people like me to protect us from recognised fraudsters? There are reasons I don't want to become a paying member (yet, as it still feels as if I pay to get paid) and, as I said, I doubt I am the only person with this sentiment. Please advise. Regards, Theo, Dutchman in France
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Posted: November 23, 2008 1:51 PM | Post #162802—in reply to #162800 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert     Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9049 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: International debt collection Originally written by Theo Bernards on November 23, 2008 7:25 PM
...There are, as I suspect, a lot of non-paying members and while I fully agree to the principle of correct professional behaviour, what methods are available to people like me to protect us from recognised fraudsters? ... |
Theo, A master membership is one way. As a registered member, you can see the stars allotted to an agency or a service provider. If you have a "situation", you can submit a request to the moderator, Musab, for temporary access. Registered members who are active members of the community are given access, eventually. If I collaborated with you and wanted to leave feedback, you would, irrespective of your membership status, be notified automatically and also given access to that thread. HTH, Nanna
[Edited by Nanna Mercer on November 23, 2008 1:55 PM]
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Posted: November 23, 2008 1:55 PM | Post #162804—in reply to #156192 |
Maxi Schwarz-Bastami | RE: International debt collection As a registered member, you can see the stars allotted to an agency or a service provider. |
A personal view to that - The stars are quite unscientific. Anyone can allot stars for any reason according to any criteria or for any personal purpose. The comments, however, are important. It is important to know how service provider and client interacted and what the story actually is. Otherwise the statistics are relatively meaningless. That's a personal view. Maxi
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Posted: November 23, 2008 2:18 PM | Post #162807—in reply to #162802 |
Thor Kottelin TC Master
 Mother tongue: Finnish Joined: June 11, 2008 Location: Finland | RE: International debt collection | Originally written by Nanna Mercer on November 23, 2008 7:51 Registered members who are active members of the community are given access, eventually.  | This is very generous, for one could also argue that such services should be available only to paying members (as elzewhere).
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Posted: November 23, 2008 3:42 PM | Post #162809—in reply to #162804 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert     Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9049 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: International debt collection Originally written by Maxi Schwarz-Bastami on November 23, 2008 7:55 PM
As a registered member, you can see the stars allotted to an agency or a service provider. |
...The stars are quite unscientific. Anyone can allot stars for any reason according to any criteria or for any personal purpose. ...That's a personal view. | The stars are an indication. They're better than nothing and can give you a wink in the right direction. That some people allot stars and what not in a frivolous manner doesn't mean that everyone does it. It's a tool like any other. How you use is what matters. Nanna
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Posted: November 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Post #162813—in reply to #156192 |
Maxi Schwarz-Bastami | RE: International debt collection | The stars are an indication. They're better than nothing and can give you a wink in the right direction. |
We'll have to agree to disagree.  Maxi
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Posted: November 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Post #162814—in reply to #162813 |
Nanna Mercer
 Expert     Mother tongues: English, DanishPosts: 9049 Joined: February 12, 2005 Location: Denmark | RE: International debt collection Originally written by Maxi Schwarz-Bastami on November 23, 2008 10:41 PM
| The stars are an indication. They're better than nothing and can give you a wink in the right direction. |
We'll have to agree to disagree. | About what, dear Maxi? I was merely replying to Theo's question. Nanna, drinking Sleepy Time tea
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Posted: November 23, 2008 6:17 PM | Post #162816—in reply to #156296 |
Harry Bornemann TC Master
 Elite Veteran       Mother tongue: GermanPosts: 856 Joined: December 31, 2002 Location: Mexico | RE: International debt collection
Originally written by Andreas Nilsson on September 23, 2008 6:33 AM
Argentina suddenly became Brazil.
To tell you the truth, this person is no pro. | But this person looks very pro too me - a professional fraudster.
First you will have to find out his/her real identity and location. - For the location, the IPs from his email headers might help. - For the ID, the mentioned agencies might help you by telling you exactly where they sent the money. - Then you will need a lawyer in that country 1.) because he is appointed there, 2.) because he will be much cheaper than a swedish lawyer.
I would not be surprised if another name of that person would be (HFS entry).
Expressing my condolences,
Harry
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