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You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.Abraham Lincoln
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United States Presidential Election, 2008

Whether or not you are a US resident, who do you think will win the upcoming US presidential election and why?

 

 

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November 21, 2008 12:46 PM
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Getting back to the original post, I sat down and watched the entire Obama interview on national TV (I watched it on youtube). I have to admit, Obama is a very, very impressive guy. He handles things very well, is intelligent, and can speak intelligently on a broad range of issues. I wish him well in his presidency and I hope that he will "lead from the center". He has some very smart advisors and he has said, he will do anything, regardless if it comes from the the left or "from Reagan". I like that. Pragmatism is what we need (I personally don't think that "left" solutions work very well because they mostly result in a lack of transparency and choice, but oh well). But still, a very, very impressive guy, at least, when he speaks. 

On the other hand, the GOP (Republicans) have degenerated into a party that is "against" things. Against immigration. Against global warming actions, against "secularism", against stem cells. It has also, as the Economist pointed out, turned into the party of the "redneck" - the Jacksonian man who disdains books and hunts and fishes. The only problem is that the U.S. is no longer a rural nation, but an urban nation with more and more people gaining higher education degrees. If one looks at the Democrats as the "urban party", and the Republicans as the "rural party"(which it increasingly is), one sees the problem. 

And until the GOP finds a way back to talking in a clear, intelligent way about things that matter (cutting government waste, giving people more choices, pointing out how socialism does not work and backfires, being for lower taxes and more choices, etc.), I hope only that the party remains out of power and literally "in the wilderness". 

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November 22, 2008 2:14 PM
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Originally written by John Bunch on November 21, 2008 9:46 PM
 

...the GOP (Republicans) have degenerated into a party that is "against" things. Against immigration...
 
Immigration and illegal immigration are two very different things. Some Republicans, -not all of them- are against illegal immigration. Others, like McCain are "somewhat" for it. 
 
But don't worry. Janet Napolitano, our current Arizona Governor, recently refused to send the Arizona National Guard to the US-Mexico border claiming that the state did not have enough funds and saying she thought it was up to the Federal Government to make the "investment". She has done little or nothing to prevent illegal immigration here and, as it all looks like she will be the next Secretary of Homeland Security, more illegal aliens will be getting into the US. All of them will be able to sneak in, the decent ones along with the felons and the criminals. All in the same pot.
 
 
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November 22, 2008 4:57 PM
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Originally written by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh 

All of them will be able to sneak in, the decent ones along with the felons and the criminals. All in the same pot.
  


"Decent ones" is not the opposite of "felons" or "criminals."  There are decent felons and decent criminals (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Jesus Christ, for example), and there are people who are neither felons nor criminals yet are far from decent (the emperor Nero, for example).


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November 23, 2008 4:14 AM
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Originally written by David Kallans on November 22, 2008 10:57 PM
There are decent felons and decent criminals (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Jesus Christ, for example), and there are people who are neither felons nor criminals yet are far from decent (the emperor Nero, for example).

And then there are also people like President Bush.


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November 23, 2008 10:13 AM
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RE: United States Presidential Election, 2008

Palin's Celebrity Status Still on the Rise

By MICHAEL R. BLOOD

AP

 

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Nov. 22) - Sarah Palin is juggling offers to write books, appear in films and sit on dozens of interview couches at a rate astonishing for most Hollywood stars, let alone a first-term governor.

Oprah wants her. So do Letterman and Leno.………………………………………………

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However,

 

Just this past week, shortly after conducting a string of national TV interviews and skipping a state education conference, she was scolded by the Anchorage Daily News. "There are ... low graduation rates, plummeting North Slope oil prices, proposals to build alternative energy projects, the gas pipeline," the paper said in an editorial. "It's time for the governor to refocus on Alaska's needs."

http://news.aol.com/article/palins-celebrity-status-still-on-the/257306?icid=200100397x1213395585x1200906782

 



[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 23, 2008 10:14 AM]

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November 23, 2008 10:28 AM
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RE: United States Presidential Election, 2008

decent   
adjective

1 socially acceptable or good:
Everyone should be entitled to a decent wage/standard of living.
I thought he was a decent sort of person.
It was very decent (= kind) of you to help.
It made quite a decent-sized (= large) hole.
After the recent scandal, the priest is expected to do the decent thing and resign from his position.
2 INFORMAL dressed or wearing clothes:
Are you decent yet?
You can come in now, I'm decent.
decency   
noun
behaviour that is good, moral and acceptable in society:
a sense of decency
[+ to infinitive] She didn't even have the decency to apologize.


the decencies   
plural noun UK OLD-FASHIONED
the acceptable or expected ways of doing something:
I hate going to funerals, but you must observe the decencies (= it is something you should do).
decently  
adverb

Cambridge University Press. (Cambridge Dictionary)

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Hyperdictionary

Decent: Suitable in behavior, words, dress or ceremony; becoming; decorous; proper; seemly; as decent conduct, decent language

www.hyperdictionary.com
  



[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 23, 2008 10:30 AM]

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Originally written by David Kallans on November 23, 2008 1:57 AM
Originally written by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh 


All of them will be able to sneak in, the decent ones along with the felons and the criminals. All in the same pot.

  


"Decent ones" is not the opposite of "felons" or "criminals."  There are decent felons and decent criminals (Martin Luther King, Jr. and Jesus Christ, for example), and there are people who are neither felons nor criminals yet are far from decent (the emperor Nero, for example).

Whatever makes you think I wanted to use a word that was **the opposite** of felons and criminals?

I did not mean to use "honest"; I used "decent" because that's exactly what I meant.

Bertha



[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 23, 2008 10:36 AM]

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November 24, 2008 9:02 AM
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According to a story published in the Colorado Denver Post (local newspaper) immigration has been on the decline, and even more so now that the U.S. economy is in the toilet. The article didn't break down the decent from the others.

David

Giving up on the American dream

With its faltering economy, the U.S. is no longer the land of opportunity it once was for Mexican immigrants.

By Bruce Finley
The Denver Post

 

And not just in the U.S. During these rough economic times people are, it appears, moving back home world-wide. From the same article as above....

Pattern seen worldwide

The shifting U.S.-Mexico dynamics mirror similar changes elsewhere. In Britain, Polish workers are leaving for better opportunities in Poland, said Bela Hovy, chief of the migration section in the population division of the United Nations in New York.

Once-poor countries such as Brazil that now have growing economies increasingly can harness workers, Hovy said. A fluid global mixing is emerging in which "every country is becoming a country of origin, a country of destination and a county of transit," he said.

 



[Edited by D. T. on November 24, 2008 9:06 AM]

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November 24, 2008 9:45 AM
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Originally written by D. T. on November 24, 2008 2:02 PM
According to a story published in the Colorado Denver Post (local newspaper) immigration has been on the decline, and even more so now that the U.S. economy is in the toilet.

I believe that it is far too early to detect a clear trend. These things take hundreds of years to work themselves out. The Great Migration ("Völkerwanderung") of the Germanic, Iranian and Slavic tribes into what was the Roman Empire lasted from 300 AD to 700 AD. There is another Great Migration going on but this time worldwide and my bet is that it will go on for another 300-400 years and result in the total homogenization of Homo sapiens sapiens in both DNA and language. Naturally there will be fluctuations but the fact is that the USA with only 31 persons/sq.km. (GDP $45,800 per capita) is underpopulated in comparison with many other developed nations (it is 181 down on the list) and will remain under pressure for many years to come. If this thread is still going in 2400 maybe somebody will bring it up to date on the migration issue. I bet you that some US politician will still be going on then about "securing the borders" ...

Derek 

 


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November 24, 2008 9:58 AM
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Originally written by Derek Thornton on November 24, 2008 9:45 AM

I believe that it is far too early to detect a clear trend. These things take hundreds of years to work themselves out.  

True, there is no real clear, longterm trend. In the short-term, at least according to the below, there is a decline.

David


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