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Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
As a translator and writer, I value free speech as one of the highest values. As an American, I value the U.S. Constitution and especially the 1st Amendment, which gives me the right to express unpopular opinions, and even (if I so chose) exotic and even undemocratic speech.
Recent developments in the West, particularly Canada and France, have made me wonder whether free speech is dying in the West.
Consider this story, about Canadian conservative Mark Steyn. Steyn is a pundit and writer and he is incisive and funny and likes to "stir things up". As this story points out, Steyn is now on trial in Canada for writing two articles. Think about it: his "crime" was to put words on paper, which offended someone (he wrote articles critical of Islam and Muslims). He was hauled before what has been referred to as a far-Left "kangaroo court" in Canada, to face these charges for his "crime" of writing articles.
Here is the article on this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2025924/posts
As liberals like to say: "chilling" for free speech in Canada.
The Brigit Bardot case in France is similar: fines for words.
Are we in the West heading toward totalitarian rule (even if it is in a softer form than the USSR with its gulags) ? Will free speech in future be a thing of the past ? It appears that in Canada and France, it already is.
Thank God for the U.S. Constitution and 1st Amendment !
RE: Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
Originally written by John Bunch on June 6, 2008 11:28 AM
Thank God for the U.S. Constitution and 1st Amendment !
Please! Do you really belive there is any freedom of speech left anywhere? Human Rights and Freedom of Speech are mutually exclusive. No amendments can amend that.
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RE: Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on June 6, 2008 11:55 AM
Originally written by John Bunch on June 6, 2008 5:28 PM Thank God for the U.S. Constitution and 1st Amendment !
Yup. As Noam says, the US has the most free press in the world. His opinion on France: Post #124548.
Jacek
It depends on what you mean by "free" as well as by "press." The mainstream press (e.g. New York Times and CNN) is largely free from official governmental interference, but it is largely controlled by narrow corporate interests who dramaticly restrict what is covered and the range of opinions presented.
But more importantly, "freedom of the press" is only one aspect of the more expansive concpet of "freedom of expression," which includes, among other things, the right to express oneself in art. In that respect, the U.S. is one of the MOST restrictive of western countries, as works which address sex or eroticism are subject to many constraints that inhibit creativity. Countries such as the Netherlands and Germany allow a wider range of artistic expression.
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RE: Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
Well, that is true. I agree - having lived in Europe - that the Europeans have some freedoms that we don't have here. Try walking down the street in any U.S. town of city with a beer in your hand and see what happens, if you disagree with me (whereas, you can do that in Germany, etc.).
I think that it is true that freedoms vary from nation to nation. But I find that there is a difference between let's say, artistic expression, and political speech.
Example: I could create a billboard with explicit sexual content on it and then try to put it up here in a U.S. city. I probably would not be able to, due to "community standards" laws and norms. But I am o.k. with that.
But what Canada is doing to me really is "chilling": trying a man for the "crime" of writing a magazine article, which no one is "forced" to see or view (you would have to go out of your way to buy the magazine and then read his articles). His "crime", in modern Canada, was to express an unpopular thought, in print.
I think that there is a difference between the print medium that not everyone is forced to view, and let's say, public "artistic" speech, which can be more prescribed.
RE: Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
Originally written by David Kallans on June 6, 2008 12:27 PM The mainstream press is largely free from official governmental interference
Is it?
...works which address sex or eroticism are subject to many constraints...
Sex? Erotism? You must be kidding! Ask your (USA, GB, СНГ... whatever!) government where does your tax money go... Ask for precise percentage and see what you get. Not "freedom of speech", I suspect...
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RE: Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
Originally written by John Bunch on June 6, 2008 12:51 PM Well, that is true. I agree - having lived in Europe - that the Europeans have some freedoms that we don't have here. Try walking down the street in any U.S. town of city with a beer in your hand and see what happens, if you disagree with me (whereas, you can do that in Germany, etc.).
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I think that there is a difference between the print medium that not everyone is forced to view, and let's say, public "artistic" speech, which can be more prescribed.
As for walking with a beer, what you say is true for most American cities, but not in New Orleans, or at least in the French Quarter, (and at least before Katrina hit).
Several problems arise with your differentiation between the print medium and "public artistic speech." First, you introduced an element of publicness that I did not include; American law censors artistic speech even when made in private for private consumption. And the "press" is also curtailed on the argumetn that it is foisted upon the public; broadcast television and radio (which is treated as "the press") is censored on the theory that people can unwittingly tune in to offensive material (the Supreme Court held this in a case in which it upheld a fine against a radio station which had aired George Carlin's famous "Seven Dirty Words" bit).
Even more fundamentally, however, is I think you miss the point that free speech is not limited to the press; in fact those are two separate freedoms, and both of which are explicitly protected by the First Amendment ("Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."). Note that "freedom of speech"is something different from, and seems to have priority to, freedom of the press.
Art is perhaps the most important field of human expression, for it is there that our humanity can most accurately and movingly be revealed. Great works of art can echo through the ages, whereas very few newspaper articles are remembered. And ultimately, there can be no free political speech if there is no free artistic speech.
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RE: Freedom of speech, under attack in the West (Canada and France)
Originally written by John Bunch on June 6, 2008 11:28 AM
The Brigitte Bardot case in France is similar: fines for words.
Are we in the West heading toward totalitarian rule (even if it is in a softer form than the USSR with its gulags) ? Will free speech in future be a thing of the past ? It appears that in Canada and France, it already is.
Thank God for the U.S. Constitution and 1st Amendment !
John,
I posted a similar article about Internet restrictions in the name of 'common good', it is in French and can be found here. Curiously enough, I also dared to compare these 'vacuum-cleaning' regulations to Stalinism.
It looks like we're heading for a Western society directed by some ilk of political hypercorrectness, the question being: Who will control the controllers? or, more correctly: To whom will the crime benefit?
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