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You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself.Galileo
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June 16, 2008 3:48 AM
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RE: Life is all a translation
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on June 15, 2008 7:38 PM

Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on June 15, 2008 6:50 PM
"Suzanne" also made it to our RE: Beautiful songs, beautiful lyrics

It is, isn't it?

I would probably appreciate it even more if I were not monogamous...

Jacek


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June 16, 2008 4:07 AM
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RE: Life is all a translation
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on June 16, 2008 9:48 AM
Originally written by Nanna Mercer on June 15, 2008 7:38 PM

Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on June 15, 2008 6:50 PM
"Suzanne" also made it to our RE: Beautiful songs, beautiful lyrics

It is, isn't it?

I would probably appreciate it even more if I were not monogamous...

If you read the Wikipedia link you provided, you'd know that they never ... so no need to get wired .

Nanna


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June 16, 2008 6:37 AM
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RE: Life is all a translation

That's right (you never know until you have checked it out...), love does not have to be physical. After all, coming to translation, one of the meanings of the word "romantic" is

  • a soulful or amorous idealist
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • Hence all the innocent "romantic evenings," "romantic moonlight rides" and "romantic adventures" of the kind idealized by Cohen:

    Suzanne takes you down to her place near the river ....
    You can spend the night beside her
    And you know that she's half crazy ....
    And just when you mean to tell her
    That you have no love to give her
    Then she gets you on her wavelength
    And she lets the river answer
    That you've always been her lover
    And you want to travel with her
    And you want to travel blind
    And you know that she will trust you
    For you've touched her perfect body with your mind.

    No need to get wired! Since most western countries do not recognize polygamous marriages, one is bound to remain monogamous before the law anyway!

    Jacek


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    July 28, 2008 3:33 PM
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    RE: Life is all a translation
    Back to heavier stuff and snippets from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor-network_theory:

    Actor-network theory, often abbreviated as ANT, is a distinctive approach to social theory and research which originated in the field of science studies. … it can more technically be described as a 'material-semiotic' method. This means that it maps relations that are simultaneously material (between things) and 'semiotic' (between concepts). It assumes that many relations are both material and 'semiotic' (e.g. the interactions in a bank involve both people and their ideas, and technologies. Together these form a single network).

    Broadly speaking, ANT is a constructivist approach in that it avoids essentialist explanations of events or innovations (e.g. explaining a successful theory by saying it is 'true' and the others are 'false').

    Some Concepts

    Translation

    Central to ANT (some times referred to as Sociology of Translation) is the concept of translation, in which innovators attempt to create a forum, a central network in which all the actors agree that the network is worth building and defending. In his widely debated 1986 study of how marine biologists try to restock the St Brieuc Bay in order to produce more scallops, Michel Callon has defined 4 moments of translation. These four moments are derived from studying:

    1. Problematisation

    What is the problem that needs to be solved? Who are the relevant actors? Delegates need to be identified that will represent groups of actors. So, a union head represents workers or a Member of Parliament represents his constituency. During problematisation, the primary actor tries to establish itself as an obligatory passage point (OPP) between the other actors and the network, so that it becomes indispensable.

    2. Interessement

    Getting the actors interested and negotiating the terms of their involvement. The primary actor works to convince the other actors that the roles it has defined them are acceptable.

    3. Enrolment

    Actors accept the roles that have been defined for them during interessement.

    4. Mobilization of allies

    Do the delegate actors in the network adequately represent the masses? If so, enrollment becomes active support.

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    July 28, 2008 3:55 PM
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    RE: Life is all a translation
    Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on June 16, 2008 12:37 PM

    No need to get wired!

    I trust that you are now totally unwired - welcome back, Jacek.

    I am too lazy at the moment to do much else besides sit in a wonderfully comfortable lawn chair in my courtyard while re-reading Eco's The Name of the Rose, slowly this time, checking the many Latin words and sentences, reaching for my tea and enjoying the sun-dabbled breeze.

    I have never enjoyed reading anything as much I do this - a slow savouring of words and life - that I was too busy to enjoy when younger. I just feel so good!

    Nanna


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    July 28, 2008 4:20 PM
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    RE: Life is all a translation
    Good evening, Nanna!

    It seems that semiotics does deliver after all... "Eco, being a semiotician, is hailed by semiotics students who like to use his novel to explain their discipline." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Name_of_the_Rose)

    Have you been to Melk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stift_Melk)?

    Jacek

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    July 28, 2008 5:23 PM
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    RE: Life is all a translation

    And a good evening to you, too.

    While reading Eco, I don't feel constrained by his words such that I am left me with just one way to interpret the meaning. I am free re-invent, so to speak, to play with or re-interpret the Latin inscriptions above the door frames in the diabolical library, before I check what they actually mean. I now wish I had learned Latin, for it's clear that there are layers of linguistic subtleties that I totally miss. But there's so much else to enjoy in the Name of the Rose, so ... that's what I do ... enjoy it!

    Thank you, especially for the Melk link.

    Nanna

     

     



    [Edited by Nanna Mercer on July 29, 2008 12:42 AM]

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    February 19, 2009 4:08 AM
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    RE: Life is all a translation

    Love in translation

    [snip] The worst accidents in life are accidents of language." While anyone who has just been run over by a bus might beg to differ, Amélie Nothomb illustrates this authorial sentiment with a deft, droll touch.

    Although the novella is categorised as fiction, the young narrator of Tokyo Fiancée is also named Amélie, suggesting a hefty element of memoir. A Belgian teaching French in Tokyo, Amélie takes on a single student who soon doubles as her boyfriend. Wealthy, naive, and terribly sweet, Rinri is the classic bundle of contradictions of a contemporary Japanese youth. He subjects Amélie to a torturous multi-course Japanese dinner with his friends, through which she is obliged to carry the whole conversational ball, but left to his own devices, he prefers spaghetti.

    Since this is a story about language, naturally the plot turns on a cataclysmic failure of grammar. Owing to the Japanese propensity to frame questions in the negative, when Amélie says no, it is received as yes, and lo, she has accepted Rinri's proposal of marriage - a point of confusion she is too polite to correct.

    Tokyo Fiancée

    is a light, lovely little romance, winningly told and entertaining. It's a fine primer on the way in which language mirrors culture. ...

    Yet for young aspirants, love is a trap - a potentially crippling snare that would chain them in place before finding their destiny. This is a trap that Amélie escapes, if without much consideration or grace, at least with efficiency.

    Like her narrator, Nothomb was born in Japan, which she left at the age of five. The child of Belgian diplomats, Nothomb grew up in a host of countries, providing her with an eye for what makes cultures truly different, and for the ways in which we're all secretly the same.

    She is astonishingly prolific, and among the 10 of her books translated into English since 1993, the slender Tokyo Fiancée is almost a throwaway. But let's not throw it away. It's charming. ... http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f51ceab2-ef36-11dd-bbb5-0000779fd2ac.html


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    May 28, 2009 1:10 PM
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    RE: Life is all a translation

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    When a parent figures out what the child needs, a bond is created between parent and child. WhyCry may be able solve the problem, but it could hurt the parent-child bond. According to Psychotherapy Networker, “a parent’s voice is critical in establishing an empathetic bond between parent and baby,” and the WhyCry device could take that parent’s voice out of the equation. “WhyCry may tell parents what their baby needs,” according to the article, “it may also interfere with their instinctively empathetic vocal response.”


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