Having chosen Love as the new title of this thread I included an article beginning with a definition of the word as pictured in the Greek and Hebrew languages. Jesus is famous for his "Sermon on the Mount" or the "Beatitudes" due the emphasis He made then on how to practice this much cherished quality. (Matthew chapters 5:1:48; and 22:39,40)
LOVE:
A feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a friend, for a parent or child, and so forth; warm fondness or liking for another; also, the benevolent affection of God for his creatures or the reverent affection due from them to God; also, the kindly affection properly expressed by God’s creatures toward one another; that strong or passionate affection for a person of the opposite sex that constitutes the emotional incentive to conjugal union. One of the synonyms for love is "devotion."
Aside from those meanings, the Scriptures speak also of love guided by principle, as love of righteousness or even love for one’s enemies, for whom a person may not have affection. This facet or expression of love is an unselfish devotion to righteousness and a sincere concern for the lasting welfare of others, along with an active expression of this for their good.
The verb ’a·hev´ or ’a·hav´ ("love") and the noun ’a·havah´ ("love") are the words primarily used in Hebrew to denote love in the foregoing senses, the context determining the sense and degree meant.
The Christian Greek Scriptures mainly employ forms of the words a·ga´pe,phi·li´a, and two words drawn from stor·ge´ (e´ros, love between the sexes, not being used). A·ga´pe appears more frequently than the other terms.
Of the noun a·ga´pe and the verb a·ga·pa´o,Vine’sExpositoryDictionaryofOldandNewTestamentWords says: "Love can be known only from the actions it prompts. God’s love is seen in the gift of His Son, I John 4:9, 10.
A·ga´pe, therefore, carries the meaning of love guided, or governed, by principle. It may or may not include affection and fondness. That a·ga´pe may include affection and warmth is evident in many passages. So, although distinguished by respect for principle, a·ga´pe is not unfeeling; otherwise it would not differ from cold justice. But it is not ruled by feeling or sentiment; it never ignores principle. Christians rightly show a·ga´pe toward others for whom they may feel no affection or fondness, doing so for the welfare of those persons. (Ga 6:10) Yet, though not feeling affection, they do feel compassion and sincere concern for such fellow humans, to the limits and in the way that righteous principles allow and direct.
However, while a·ga´pe refers to love governed by principle, there are good and bad principles. A wrong kind of a·ga´pe could be expressed, guided by bad principles. For example, Jesus said: "If you love [a·ga·pa´te] those loving you, of what credit is it to you? For even the sinners love those loving them. And if you do good to those doing good to you, really of what credit is it to you? Even the sinners do the same. Also, if you lend without interest to those from whom you hope to receive, of what credit is it to you? Even sinners lend without interest to sinners that they may get back as much." (Lu 6:32-34) The principle upon which such ones operate is: ‘Do good to me and I will do good to you.’
Jesus commanded: "Love [a·ga·pa´te] your enemies." (Mt 5:44) Loving our enemies, therefore, should be governed by the principle established by God and should be exercised in obedience to his commandments, whether or not such love is accompanied by any warmth or affection.
Golly gee Marie, that's just one version. A lot of the material reads like it was plagiarized from Buddhist scriptures however, although I guess you don't wanna hear about that but heck, for example, there's the line about being born already knowing how to speak, a trick Buddhist divinities had already been doing on a routine basis since at least 500 BCE. At all events, nothing new there. Muslims figure he was just a prophet like you or I but with a better gift of the gab. As for the virgin birth thing, lots of folks don't believe it any more out of Mary's mouth than they would if their own daughter tried to sell them the same story. And then, since the Dead Sea Scrolls have been liberated from Catholic control, it looks like the affiliations of Jesus to the Essenes and Zealots earned him an entry on the Roman and Jewish terrorism watchlists. Finally, if the guy was allowed to debate in the synagogue, then he had to be married for only men, not boys, are allowed to speak in synagogues. No exceptions allowed. To this day. When looking around for the wife, the obvious candidate is the little lady passed off as a reformed harlot, Mary Magdalene.
The next issue is the kids and how many have built careers in insurgency or become socially alienated in other interesting ways.
And here, Marie, I haven't a clue because it means checking out the Merovee family tree and I just don't have the faith to do that.
Of course, there's always the possibility that Jesus is just flappig his wings way up in some quiet cloud that comes equipped with a chorus that doesn't sing off-key -- anything to get his mind off all the bloodshed he helped trigger over the centuries.
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RE: Love Thy Neighbour in a Globalized World
Originally written by Marie Glück on December 24, 2005 4:07 PM
Who is Jesus Christ?
Since all created things had a beginning there was a time when God was alone. Countless ages ago, however, God became a Creator. Who was his first creation? The last book of the Bible identifies Jesus as "the beginning of the last Creation by God". Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation." That is so "because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible." (Colossians 1:15, 16) Jesus was the only one directly created by God himself. Therefore, he is called God´s "only-begotten Son." (John 3:16) The firstborn Son also bears the title "the Word." (John 1:14) Why? Because before being born as a human, he served in heaven as one who spoke for God. (Revelation 3:14).
The socond stage of Jesus´life course began when God sent his Son to the earth. Jehovah did this by miraculously transferring the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of a faithful Jewish virgin named Mary. Jesus inherited no imperfections because he did not have a human father. Jehovah´s holy sipirit, or active force, came upon Mary, and his power `overshadowed´her, miraculously cousing her to become pregnant. (Luke 1:34,35) Mary therefore gave birth to a perfect child. As the adopted son of the carpenter Joseph, he was brought up in a humble home and was the first of several children in the family. -Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:22; Mark 3:3 (......)
Gee whiz! Jesus was transferred whole, as it were, into Mary's womb? That must be so for how else to understand the sentence about, no inherited imperfections because he did not have a human father. Obviously, he did not inherit any genetic material from his mother Mary, or if he did, she too must have been perfect, if human.
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RE: Love Thy Neighbour in a Globalized World
Originally written by Marie Glück on December 24, 2005 11:07 PM
Who is Jesus Christ?
Since all created things had a beginning there was a time when God was alone. Countless ages ago, however, God became a Creator. Who was his first creation? The last book of the Bible identifies Jesus as "the beginning of the last Creation by God". Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation." That is so "because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible." (Colossians 1:15, 16) Jesus was the only one directly created by God himself. Therefore, he is called God´s "only-begotten Son." (John 3:16) The firstborn Son also bears the title "the Word." (John 1:14) Why? Because before being born as a human, he served in heaven as one who spoke for God. (Revelation 3:14).
I would ask the author of this theory a couple of questions.
1/ Where had the God-Creator come from? What sort of a creature was he ?
2/ Why did this creature, (which we tend to call God) decide to create what he actually created - the Earth, life on it, etc. ....?
3/ If Jesus was "the beginning of the last Creation by God", then this IMO contradicts logically to the statement that "Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation.", since obviously (in the first part) a "last Creation" is referred to, hence there must have been other - earlier "attempts" of creation ! Therefore, Jesus could not be both - the very first and the beginning of the last Creation.
As for Jesus being "God´s " only -begotten Son." - this, as much as I know, is a very "popular" element of almost all the mythologies on this planet.
First, earlier mythologies/religions, allow more than one God's begotten creature. And second, this, to me at least, is a peculiar statement of the Christian religion, taking into concideration the very roots of this religion!
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RE: Love Thy Neighbour in a Globalized World
As in all faith - related matters the question should be another one: to believe or not to believe? If you believe it OK, if you don't ...well, you'll find soon that non-scientific, irrational statements are common to all kinds of metaphysics. Who's next?
I have posted on this page an article of Buddhism which has
"declencher(d)" some lively discussions and was rather long to the taste of a few others. I have deleted it but I am still in possession of it in case any one wishes to have a copy of it for any reasons....
Thanks for answering. I find this a very good argument on your part.
"he did not inherit any genetic material from his mother Mary, or if he did, she too must have been perfect, if human. "
Yes, indeed Jesus did not inherit any imperfection from his mother Mary. It was possible for the Creator to accomplish while Mary herself was still an imperfect human.
The Virgin Birth relates to the miraculous birth of Jesus. That Mary was a virgin when she conceived and bore Jesus is clearly stated in the Holy Scriptures. (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34, 35) But do the Scriptures show that Mary herself was born perfect and free from inherited sin?
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Definition: The divinely chosen and highly favored woman who gave birth to Jesus. There are five other Marys mentioned in the Bible. This one was a descendant of King David, of the tribe of Judah, and a daughter of Heli. When she is first introduced to us in Scripture, she is engaged to Joseph, also of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of David.
WasMarytrulyavirginwhenshegavebirthtoJesus?Luke 1:26-31 (JB) reports that it was to "a virgin" whose name was Mary that the angel Gabriel carried the news: "You are to conceive and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus." At this, verse 34 states, "Mary said to the angel, ‘But how can this come about, since I am a virgin ["I do not know man: i.e., as husband," NAB footnote; "I am having no intercourse with a man," NW]?’" Matthew 1:22-25 (JB) adds: "Now all this took place to fulfil the words spoken by the Lord through the prophet: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son and they will call him Immanuel, a name which means ‘God-is-with-us’. When Joseph woke up he did what the angel of the Lord had told him to do: he took his wife to his home and, though he had not had intercourse with her, she gave birth to a son; and he named him Jesus."
Isthisreasonable? Surely it was not impossible for the Creator, who designed the human reproductive organs, to bring about the fertilization of an egg cell in the womb of Mary by supernatural means. Marvelously, Jehovah transferred the life-force and the personality pattern of his firstborn heavenly Son to the womb of Mary. God’s own active force, his holy spirit, safeguarded the development of the child in Mary’s womb so that what was born was a perfect human.—Luke 1:35; John 17:5.
WasMaryalwaysavirgin?
Matt. 13:53-56, JB: "When Jesus had finished these parables he left the district; and, coming to his home town, he taught the people in their synagogue in such a way that they were astonished and said, ‘Where did the man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? This is the carpenter’s son, surely? Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his brothers [Greek, a·del·phoi´] James and Joseph and Simon and Jude? His sisters [Greek, a·del·phai´], too, are they not all here with us?’" (On the basis of this text, would you conclude that Jesus was Mary’s only child or that she had other sons as well as daughters?)
The NewCatholicEncyclopedia (1967, Vol. IX, p. 337) admits regarding the Greek words a·del·phoi´ and a·del·phai´, used at Matthew 13:55, 56, that these "have the meaning of full blood brother and sister in the Greek-speaking world of the Evangelist’s time and would naturally be taken by his Greek reader in this sense. Toward the end of the 4th century (c. 380) Helvidius in a work now lost pressed this fact in order to attribute to Mary other children besides Jesus so as to make her a model for mothers of larger families. St. Jerome, motivated by the Church’s traditional faith in Mary’s perpetual virginity, wrote a tract against Helvidius (A.D. 383) in which he developed an explanation . . . that is still in vogue among Catholic scholars."
Mark 3:31-35, JB: "His mother and brothers now arrived and, standing outside, sent in a message asking for him. A crowd was sitting round him at the time the message was passed to him, ‘Your mother and brothers and sisters are outside asking for you’. He replied, ‘Who are my mother and my brothers?’ And looking round at those sitting in a circle about him, he said, ‘Here are my mother and my brothers. Anyone who does the will of God, that person is my brother and sister and mother.’" (Here a clear distinction is drawn between Jesus’ natural brothers and his spiritual brothers, his disciples. No one claims that the reference to Jesus’ mother means anything different from what it says. Is it consistent, then, to reason that his natural brothers were not that but were perhaps cousins? When what is meant is not brothers but relatives, a different Greek word [syg·ge·non´] is used, as at Luke 21:16.)
WasMarytheMotherofGod?The angel who informed her of the coming miraculous birth did not say that her son would be God. He said: "You are to conceive and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. . . . The child will be holy and will be called Son of God."—Luke 1:31-35, JB; italics added.
Heb. 2:14, 17, JB: "Since all the children share the same blood and flesh, he [Jesus] too shared equally in it . . . It was essential that he should in this way become completely like his brothers." (But would he have been "completely like his brothers" if he had been a God-man?)
The NewCatholicEncyclopedia says: "Mary is truly the mother of God if two conditions are fulfilled: that she is really the mother of Jesus and that Jesus is really God." (1967, Vol. X, p. 21) The Bible says that Mary was the mother of Jesus, but was Jesus God? In the fourth century, long after the writing of the Bible was completed, the Church formulated its statement of the Trinity. (NewCatholicEncyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 295; see page 405, under the heading "Trinity.") At that time in the Nicene Creed the Church spoke of Jesus Christ as "very God." After that, at the Council of Ephesus in 431 C.E., Mary was proclaimed by the Church to be The·o·to´kos, meaning "God-bearer" or "Mother of God." However, neither that expression nor the idea is found in the text of any translation of the Bible. (See pages 212-216, under "Jesus Christ.")WasMaryherselfimmaculatelyconceived,freefromoriginalsinwhenhermotherconceivedher?The NewCatholicEncyclopedia (1967, Vol. VII, pp. 378-381) acknowledges regarding the origin of the belief: " . . . the Immaculate Conception is not taught explicitly in Scripture . . . The earliest Church Fathers regarded Mary as holy but not as absolutely sinless. . . . It is impossible to give a precise date when the belief was held as a matter of faith, but by the 8th or 9th century it seems to have been generally admitted. . . . [In 1854 Pope Pius IX defined the dogma] ‘which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin in the first instant of her Conception.’" This belief was confirmed by Vatican II (1962-1965).—TheDocumentsofVaticanII (New York, 1966), edited by W. M. Abbott, S.J., p. 88.
The Bible itself says: "Well then, sin entered the world through one man [Adam], and through sin death, and thus death has spread through the whole human race because everyone has sinned." (Rom. 5:12, JB; italics added.) Does that include Mary? The Bible reports that in accord with the requirement of the Mosaic Law, 40 days after Jesus’ birth Mary offered at the temple in Jerusalem a sin offering for purification from uncleanness. She, too, had inherited sin and imperfection from Adam.—Luke 2:22-24; Lev. 12:1-8.DidMaryascendtoheavenwithherbodyofflesh?In commenting on the proclamation made by Pope Pius XII in 1950 that made this dogma an official article of Catholic faith, the NewCatholicEncyclopedia (1967, Vol. I, p. 972) states: "There is no explicit reference to the Assumption in the Bible, yet the Pope insists in the decree of promulgation that the Scriptures are the ultimate foundation of this truth."
The Bible itself says: "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God: and the perishable cannot inherit what lasts for ever." (1 Cor. 15:50, JB) Jesus said that "God is spirit." At Jesus’ resurrection he again became spirit, now "a life-giving spirit." The angels are spirits. (John 4:24; 1 Cor. 15:45; Heb. 1:13, 14, JB) Where is the Scriptural basis for saying that anyone would attain to heavenly life in a body that requires the physical surroundings of the earth to sustain it? (See pages 334-336, under "Resurrection.")IsitpropertoaddressprayerstoMaryasintercessor?Jesus Christ said: "You should pray like this: ‘Our Father in heaven . . . ’" He also said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can come to the Father except through me. . . . If you ask for anything in myname, I will do it."—Matt. 6:9; John 14:6, 14, JB; italics added.
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PersonIdentifiedbytheName. Jehovah is the Creator of all things, the great First Cause; hence he is uncreated, without beginning. (Re 4:11) "In number his years are beyond searching." (Job 36:26) It is impossible to place an age upon him, for there is no starting point from which to measure. Though ageless, he is properly called "the Ancient of Days" since his existence stretches endlessly into the past. (Da 7:9, 13) He is also without future end (Re 10:6), being incorruptible, undying. He is therefore called "the King of eternity" (1Ti 1:17), to whom a thousand years are but as a night watch of a few hours.—Ps 90:2, 4; Jer 10:10; Hab 1:12; Re 15:3.
Despite his timelessness, Jehovah is preeminently a historical God, identifying himself with specific times, places, persons, and events. In his dealings with mankind he has acted according to an exact timetable. (Ge 15:13, 16; 17:21; Ex 12:6-12; Ga 4:4) Because his eternal existence is undeniable and the most fundamental fact in the universe, he has sworn by it in oaths, saying, "As I am alive," thereby guaranteeing the absolute certainty of his promises and prophecies. (Jer 22:24; Zep 2:9; Nu 14:21, 28; Isa 49:18) Men, too, took oaths, swearing by the fact of Jehovah’s existence. (Jg 8:19; Ru 3:13) Only senseless ones say: "There is no Jehovah."—Ps 14:1; 10:4.
Descriptions ofhispresence. Since he is a Spirit beyond the power of humans to see (Joh 4:24), any description of his appearance in human terms can only approximate his incomparable glory. (Isa 40:25, 26) While not actually seeing their Creator (Joh 1:18), certain of his servants were given inspired visions of his heavenly courts. Their description of his presence portrays not only great dignity and awesome majesty but also serenity, order, beauty, and pleasantness.—Ex 24:9-11; Isa 6:1; Eze 1:26-28; Da 7:9; Re 4:1-3; see also Ps 96:4-6.
As can be noted, these descriptions employ metaphors and similes, likening Jehovah’s appearance to things known to humans—jewels, fire, rainbow. He is even described as though he had certain human features. While some scholars make a considerable issue out of what they call the anthropomorphological expressions found in the Bible—as references to God’s "eyes," "ears," "face" (1Pe 3:12), "arm" (Eze 20:33), "right hand" (Ex 15:6), and so forth—it is obvious that such expressions are necessary for the description to be humanly comprehensible. For Jehovah God to set down for us a description of himself in spirit terms would be like supplying advanced algebraic equations to persons having only the most elementary knowledge of mathematics, or trying to explain colors to a person born blind.—Job 37:23, 24.
The so-called anthropomorphisms, therefore, are never to be taken literally, any more than other metaphoric references to God as a "sun," "shield," or "Rock." (Ps 84:11; De 32:4, 31) Jehovah’s sight (Ge 16:13), unlike that of humans, does not depend on light rays, and deeds done in utter darkness can be seen by him. (Ps 139:1, 7-12; Heb 4:13) His vision can encompass all the earth (Pr 15:3), and he needs no special equipment to see the growing embryo within the human womb. (Ps 139:15, 16) Nor does his hearing depend on sound waves in an atmosphere, for he can "hear" expressions though uttered voicelessly in the heart. (Ps 19:14) Man cannot successfully measure even the vast physical universe; yet the physical heavens do not embrace or enclose the place of God’s residence, and much less does some earthly house or temple. (1Ki 8:27; Ps 148:13) Through Moses, Jehovah specifically warned the nation of Israel not to make an image of Him in the form of a male or of any kind of created thing. (De 4:15-18) So, whereas Luke’s account records Jesus’ reference to expelling demons "by means of God’s finger," Matthew’s account shows that Jesus thereby referred to "God’s spirit," or active force.—Lu 11:20; Mt 12:28; compare Jer 27:5 and Ge 1:2.
Personal qualitiesrevealedincreation. Certain facets of Jehovah’s personality are revealed by his creative works even prior to his creation of man. (Ro 1:20) The very act of creation reveals his love. This is because Jehovah is self-contained, lacking nothing. Hence, although he created hundreds of millions of spirit sons, not one could add anything to his knowledge or contribute some desirable quality of emotion or personality that He did not already possess in superior degree.—Da 7:9, 10; Heb 12:22; Isa 40:13, 14; Ro 11:33, 34.
This, of course, does not mean that Jehovah does not find pleasure in his creatures. Since man was made "in God’s image" (Ge 1:27), it follows that the joy a human father finds in his child, particularly one who shows filial love and acts with wisdom, reflects the joy that Jehovah finds in his intelligent creatures who love and wisely serve Him. (Pr 27:11; Mt 3:17; 12:18) This pleasure comes, not from any material or physical gain, but from seeing his creatures willingly hold to his righteous standards and show unselfishness and generosity. (1Ch 29:14-17; Ps 50:7-15; 147:10, 11; Heb 13:16) Contrariwise, those who take a wrong course and show contempt for Jehovah’s love, who bring reproach on his name and cruel suffering to others, cause Jehovah to ‘feel hurt at his heart.’—Ge 6:5-8; Ps 78:36-41; Heb 10:38.
Jehovah also finds pleasure in the exercise of his powers, whether in creation or otherwise, his works always having a real purpose and a good motive. (Ps 135:3-6; Isa 46:10, 11; 55:10, 11) As the Generous Giver of "every good gift and every perfect present," he takes delight in rewarding his faithful sons and daughters with blessings. (Jas 1:5, 17; Ps 35:27; 84:11, 12; 149:4) Yet, though he is a God of warmth and feeling, his happiness is clearly not dependent upon his creatures, nor does he sacrifice righteous principles for sentimentality.
Jehovah also showed love in granting his first-created spirit Son the privilege of sharing with him in all further works of creation, both spirit and material, generously causing this fact to be made known with resultant honor to his Son. (Ge 1:26; Col 1:15-17) He thus did not weakly fear the possibility of competition but, rather, displayed complete confidence in his own rightful Sovereignty (Ex 15:11) as well as in his Son’s loyalty and devotion. He allows his spirit sons relative freedom in the discharge of their duties, on occasion even permitting them to offer their views on how they might carry out particular assignments.—1Ki 22:19-22.
As the apostle Paul pointed out, Jehovah’s invisible qualities are also revealed in his material creation. (Ro 1:19, 20) His vast power is staggering to the imagination, huge galaxies of billions of stars being but ‘the work of his fingers’ (Ps 8:1, 3, 4; 19:1), and the richness of his wisdom displayed is such that, even after thousands of years of research and study, the understanding that men have of the physical creation is but "a whisper" compared with mighty thunder. (Job 26:14; Ps 92:5; Ec 3:11) Jehovah’s creative activity toward the planet Earth was marked by logical orderliness, following a definite program (Ge 1:2-31), making the earth—as astronauts in our 20th century have called it—a jewel in space.
As revealedtomaninEden. As what kind of person did Jehovah reveal himself to his first human children? Certainly Adam in his perfection would have had to concur with the later words of the psalmist: "I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful, as my soul is very well aware." (Ps 139:14) From his own body—outstandingly versatile among earthly creatures—on outward to the things he found around him, the man had every reason to feel awesome respect for his Creator. Each new bird, animal, and fish; each different plant, flower, and tree; and every field, forest, hill, valley, and stream that the man saw would impress upon him the depth and breadth of his Father’s wisdom and the colorfulness of Jehovah’s personality as reflected in the grand variety of his creative works. (Ge 2:7-9; compare Ps 104:8-24.) All of man’s senses—sight, hearing, taste, smell, and touch—would communicate to his receptive mind the evidence of a most generous and thoughtful Creator.
Nor were Adam’s intellectual needs, his need for conversation and companionship, forgotten, as his Father provided him with an intelligent feminine counterpart. (Ge 2:18-23) They both could well have sung to Jehovah, as did the psalmist: "Rejoicing to satisfaction is with your face; there is pleasantness at your right hand forever." (Ps 16:8, 11) Having been the object of so much love, Adam and Eve should certainly have known that "God is love," the source and supreme example of love.—1Jo 4:16, 19.
Most important, Jehovah God supplied man’s spiritual needs. Adam’s Father revealed himself to his human son, communicating with him, giving him divine assignments of service, the obedient performance of which would constitute a major part of man’s worship.—Ge 1:27-30; 2:15-17; compare Am 4:13.
A Godofmoralstandards. Man early came to know Jehovah not merely as a wise and bountiful Provider but also as a God of morals, one holding to definite standards as to what is right and what is wrong in conduct and practice. If, as indicated, Adam knew the account of creation, then he also knew Jehovah had divine standards, for the account says of his creative works that Jehovah saw that "it was very good," hence meeting his perfect standard.—Ge 1:3, 4, 12, 25, 31; compare De 32:3, 4.
Without standards there could be no means for determining or judging good and bad or for measuring and recognizing degrees of accuracy and excellence. In this regard, the following observations from the EncyclopaediaBritannica (1959, Vol. 21, pp. 306, 307) are enlightening:
"Man’s accomplishments [in establishing standards] . . . pale into insignificance when compared with standards in nature. The constellations, the orbits of the planets, the changeless normal properties of conductivity, ductility, elasticity, hardness, permeability, refractivity, strength, or viscosity in the materials of nature, . . . or the structure of cells, are a few examples of the astounding standardization in nature."
Showing the importance of such standardization in the material creation, the same work says: "Only through the standardization found in nature is it possible to recognize and classify . . . the many kinds of plants, fishes, birds or animals. Within these kinds, individuals resemble each other in minutest detail of structure, function and habits peculiar to each. [Compare Ge 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25.] If it were not for such standardization in the human body, physicians would not know whether an individual possessed certain organs, where to look for them . . . In fact, without nature’s standards there could be no organized society, no education and no physicians; each depends upon underlying, comparable similarities."
Adam saw much stability in Jehovah’s creative works, the regular cycle of day and night, the steady downward course of the water in Eden’s river in response to the force of gravity, and countless other things that gave proof that Earth’s Creator is not a God of confusion but of order. (Ge 1:16-18; 2:10; Ec 1:5-7; Jer 31:35, 36; 1Co 14:33) Man surely found this helpful in carrying out his assigned work and activities (Ge 1:28; 2:15), being able to plan and work with confidence, free from anxious uncertainty.
In view of all of this, it should not have seemed strange to intelligent man that Jehovah should set standards governing man’s conduct and his relations with his Creator. Jehovah’s own splendid workmanship set the example for Adam in his cultivating and caring for Eden. (Ge 2:15; 1:31) Adam also learned God’s standard for marriage, that of monogamy, and of family relationship. (Ge 2:24) Especially stressed as essential for life itself was the standard of obedience to God’s instructions. Since Adam was humanly perfect, perfect obedience was the standard Jehovah set for him. Jehovah gave his earthly son the opportunity to demonstrate love and devotion by obedience to His command to abstain from eating of one of the many fruit trees in Eden. (Ge 2:16, 17) It was a simple thing. But Adam’s circumstances then were simple, free from the complexities and confusion that have since developed. Jehovah’s wisdom in this simple test was emphasized by the words of Jesus Christ some 4,000 years later: "The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much."—Lu 16:10.
This orderliness and the standards set would not detract from man’s enjoyment of life but would contribute to it. As the encyclopedia article on standards, mentioned earlier, observes regarding the material creation: "Yet with this overwhelming evidence of standards none charges nature with monotony. Although a narrow band of spectral wave lengths forms the foundation, the available variations and combinations of colour to delight the eye of the observer are virtually without limit. Similarly, all of the artistry of music comes to the ear through another small group of frequencies." (Vol. 21, p. 307) Likewise, God’s requirements for the human pair allowed them all the freedom that a righteous heart could desire. There was no need to hem them in with a multitude of laws and regulations. The loving example set for them by their Creator and their respect and love for him would protect them from exceeding the proper bounds of their freedom.—Compare 1Ti 1:9, 10; Ro 6:15-18; 13:8-10; 2Co 3:17.
Jehovah God, therefore, by his very Person, his ways, and his words, was and is the Supreme Standard for all the universe, the definition and the sum of all goodness. For that reason his Son when on earth could say to a man: "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."—Mr 10:17, 18; also Mt 19:17; 5:48.
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RE: Love Thy Neighbour in a Globalized World
Hi Marie,
Sorry for not being able to use single quotes, but I am on another computer that uses Netscape and the C&P function uses Mozilla or some such...in any case, I don't know how to use it.
I have a bit of a hard time with the idea that Mary is the mother of God. As far as I see it, God is the father and Jesus the son. There is, I believe, but one God.
The other thing about Mary too being immaculately conceived, and therefore free of original sin, is very interesting . I have never heard that before. So, Mary too was a virgin birth? Or is she (merely) immaculate from having been chosen as the mother of Jesus? And why her and not another woman? And what about Jesus' brothers, since they too must have been born by a perfect woman, i.e., with only their father's imperfections. Or did the lack of original sin stop with the birth of Jesus?
Expert Mother tongue: Bahasa Inggeris Posts: 2733 Joined: 14 Januari 2004 Location: Sepanyol
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RE: Opinion on Your Missing Person Enquiry
Originally written by Arthur Borges on December 25, 2005 12:07 AM
Muslims figure he was just a prophet like you or I but with a better gift of the gab. As for the virgin birth thing, lots of folks don't believe it any more out of Mary's mouth than they would if their own daughter tried to sell them the same story.
Dear Sweetie Pie,
As a Muslim I find your comments very offensive. I really didn´t expect you to outdo yourself but, by God, you are an artist!! And although I stopped accepting x-mas presents back in 92, when I embraced Islam, today I am going to make an exception and ask one from you to me and Marie ( oh lucky us, it´s X-mas and Hanucka so we can get a double treat) : 1) take a pill and 2) go to sleep. And if you still feel rowdy by tomorrow, I´ll call J.P. and Jacek and we can have a free for all.
Kisses ,
Johnny Bags
P.S. Poor Marie, innocent soul...little did she realize what she was doing when she opened this topic.
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