Je suis allé à Rome en Avril 1624 et j'ai obtenu six audiences avec le Pape Urban VIII. J'ai également obtenu de nombreuses audiences avec des cardinaux. Le Pape Urban VIII m'a autorisé à publier mon opinion et mes impressions à propos de la théorie de Copernic tant que mes textes resteront inscrits dans la cadre de l'hypothèse mathématique. – Vincenzo Galilei, dit Galileo (né à Pise en 1564, mort à Florence en 1642)
If it is taboo to discuss how America's actions in the Middle East cause Terrorism -- and it generally is -- that taboo is far stronger still when it comes to specifically discussing how our blind, endless enabling of Israeli actions fuels Terrorism directed at the U.S. An article in yesterday's New York Times examined the life of Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, the Jordanian who blew himself up, along with 7 CIA agents, in Afghanistan this week. Why would Balawi -- a highly educated doctor, who was specifically recruited by Jordanian intelligence officials to infiltrate Al Qaeda on behalf of Western governments -- want to blow himself up and murder as many American intelligence agents as possible? The article provides this possible answer:
He described Mr. Balawi as a "very good brother" and a "brilliant doctor," saying that the family knew nothing of Mr. Balawi’s writings under a pseudonym on jihadi Web sites. He said, however, that his brother had been "changed" by last year’s three-week-long Israeli offensive in Gaza, which killed about 1,300 Palestinians.
An Associated Press discussion of the possible motives of accused Christmas Day airline attacker Umar Faruk Abdulmutallab contained this quite similar passage (h/t Casual Observer):
Students and administrators at the institute said Abdulmutallab was gregarious, had many Yemeni friends and was not overtly extremist. They noted, however, he was open about his sympathies toward the Palestinians and his anger over Israel's actions in Gaza.
When the Saudi and Yemeni branches of Al Qaeda announced earlier this year that they were unifying into "Al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula," they prominently featured rhetoric railing against the Israeli attack on Gaza, and "presented their campaign as part of the struggle to liberate Palestine, since Israel and the Crusaders are one." So extreme is anger towards Israel over Gaza among Yemenis that even that country's President -- our supposed ally in the War on Terror -- called for the opening of camps to train fighters against Israel in Gaza. In his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, The Looming Tower, Lawrence Wright claimed that 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta signed his "martyr's will" from Al Qaeda on the day in 1996 when Israel attacked Lebanon, and he did so due to "outrage" over that attack. There's just no question that the U.S.'s loyal enabling of (and support for) Israel's various wars with its Muslims neighbors contributes to terrorist attacks directed at Americans.
A Caucasian American friend of mine, Born in the U.S.A. with a purely American name, having worked for the government and never travelled to any rogue country (well, unless after years of monitoring the Internet they decided to include Poland on that list), when changing planes in Boston and being in a wheelchair after a recent accident, got a thourough pat-down which included his genitals and rectum. "If I were not gay, I would have told them it was unpleasant," he told me.
“You’re targeting good Americans who just want to practice their faith and dress modestly.”
And
Twenty-seven organizations on Friday asked the Department of Homeland Security to change newly tightened airport-security rules that they say will result in racial and ethnic profiling.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126299928433022191.html
With Best Wishes of Many New Victories in the Global Permanent War on Terror
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RE: ...and war
Well, you brought up Israel and I think that sooner or later, the U.S. and all countries will have to adopt Israeli security tactics. In Israel, they don't look for the weapon, they look at the person. We will have sheer chaos (which is no doubt what the terrorists want), until we do that.
Regarding the "Israel causes terrorism" thing, that is just wrong. As I have pointed out on this site many times, Islam has existed since 700 A.D. and has not exactly had a peaceful coexistance with non-Muslims in that time. And Wahhabism ("Salafism", the "back to the roots" movement of Islam) has existed since 1300 A.D. (at the latest) and in the case of Wahhabism, since 1750 A.D. Islamic terrorists were fighting the "infidel" hundreds of years before Israel was founded (in 1948 A.D.). Not to mention the even bigger civil war, within Islam, between Sunnis and Shiites. This will never end. You could pave Israel over and paint Islamic slogans all over it, and the war on the unbelievers would continue, unabated. Al Quida sometimes plants bombs and decides only AFTER THE FACT what the "grievance" was. This has happened many times. If it is not Israel, it would be the fact that Spain took back "Muslim Spain" in 1492, or the fact that Muslims have not overthrown their leaders and adopted a way of life from 800 A.D., or that women drive cars and go to work without a full-length burka. If it were not that, it would be that France banned the burka, or that MI5 in Britain has police monitoring mosques. There would always be something.
Jacek, Michael Scheuer, the CIA Bin Ladin expert, also says - like you - that U.S. support for Israel is what causes (!) terrorism. And he says, "the terrorists won't kill you because you drink a Heineken". I beg to differ. And anyone who thinks differently, go to a Muslim country (pick ANY Muslim country) and try to build a church and then openly, in public, drink a beer. See what happens, and see what is the "root" of terror.
Or go to Mindanao, the southernmost island in the Filipines. The Filipines have been fighting a civil war there against the 5 % of the population that is Muslim (please note that France, Holland, and Britain have Muslim populations higher than that). And it has been going on for centuries. It has nothing to do with Israel.
Sorry if that doesn't jive well with leftwing anti-Semitism and its version of why we are at war.
[Edited by John Bunch on January 21, 2010 7:29 PM]
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RE: ...and war
Originally written by John Bunch on January 22, 2010 1:20 AM
...leftwing anti-Semitism...
Speaking of the Left and its characteristic anti-Semitism (does anti-Semitism exist anywhere else?) here is more on stereotypes:
How can you tell if people are Republicans or a Democrats? Just look at their faces. In a study published on the science journal PLOS One, participants were able to correctly identify the political leanings of both politicians and college seniors, just by looking at photos their faces. “Republicans were perceived as more powerful than Democrats,” according to the researchers. “Similarly,” the study found that when it comes to personalities, “as individual targets were perceived to be warmer, they were more likely to be perceived as Democrats.” The researchers concluded that people used stereotypes to identify Republicans and Democrats, and often, those stereotypes worked. (http://www.utne.com/Science-Technology/Judging-Republicans-Democrats-by-their-Faces-6438.aspx)
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
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RE: ...and war
Originally written by John Bunch on January 22, 2010 1:20 AM
And anyone who thinks differently, go to a Muslim country (pick ANY Muslim country) and try to build a church and then openly, in public, drink a beer. See what happens, and see what is the "root" of terror. Or go to Mindanao, the southernmost island in the Filipines. The Filipines have been fighting a civil war there against the 5 % of the population that is Muslim (please note that France, Holland, and Britain have Muslim populations higher than that). And it has been going on for centuries.
Islam criticism: the German feuilleton debate
Since the Swiss minaret ban and the attack on Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, newspaper debate on criticism of Islam (more here) has become increasingly aggressive. Over the past fortnight the feuilletons have published a mass of articles attacking outspoken critics of contemporary Islam – in particular Henryk M. Broder (here his article after the attack on Kurt Westergaard, here an excerpt of his book "Hurra, Wir Kapitulieren"), Necla Kelek (here two of her articles), Seyran Ates (articles here, here and here) here and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Under the headline "Our holy warriors", Claudius Seidl, head of the Sunday feuilleton of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, counters Germany's Islam critics by arguing that western secularisation also took "almost a thousand years." "Not every argument is as easy to refute as Necla Kelek's conjecture that jihad lasted a thousand years, and it was not until 1683, before Vienna, that it was finally stopped, when the imperial army, the Polish, the Badenese and the Bavarian troops forced back the Ottoman army. But if the imperial wars of the Ottomans were holy, when did the western jihad come to an end? With the complete extermination of the Native Americans? Or with the last throes of colonialism, which was legitimised with the aim of converting and civilising the heathens?" (http://www.signandsight.com/intodaysfeuilletons/1983.html)
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RE: ...and war
Originally written by John Bunch on January 22, 2010 1:20 AM
And anyone who thinks differently, go to a Muslim country (pick ANY Muslim country) and try to build a church and then openly, in public, drink a beer. See what happens, and see what is the "root" of terror.
And anyone who thinks differently, go to a Christian country (pick ANY Christian country except Holland) and try to build a mosque and then openly, in public, smoke a joint. See what happens, and see what is the "root" of terror.
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RE: ...and war
Jacek, re the supposed coup that the Left is expecting in the U.S., from the "tea party" movement and returning veterans ... I sometimes think that the Left is losing its mind, in the U.S. The paranoia of essays like that is amazing. They even have gone on to call those in Massachusetts who voted for Brown (a Republican) "bloodthirsty" and "in rage". Wow. Those same "bloodthirsty" people were voting for Ted Kennedy a few years back, and they were nice, decent citizens as long as they put their "X" in the right box. Now that they don't want to do that anymore (as a protest against Obama's policies), they are a fascist, enraged mob ready to take down the country, supposedly.
Harry, regarding if it is possible to smoke pot or build a mosque in Europe, a video put out by a conservative group in Britain. No doubt, these people who made this video will also be defined - by the Left - as an "enraged mob" (whereas, let's say, Muslims threatening REAL violence are mere "protesters with a grievance":
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[Edited by John Bunch on January 29, 2010 6:29 PM]
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