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United States Presidential Election, 2008

Whether or not you are a US resident, who do you think will win the upcoming US presidential election and why?

 

 

Option Votes
Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic Party)  
John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican Party)  
Gene Amondson / Leroy Pletten ( Prohibition Party)  
Chuck Baldwin / Darrell Castle ( Constitution Party)  
Bob Barr / Wayne Allyn Root ( Libertarian Party)  
Roger Calero /Alyson Kennedy (Socialist Workers Party)  
Charles Jay / Thomas L. Knapp (Boston Tea Party)  
Alan Keyes / Wiley Drake ( Independent, America’s Independent Party)  
Gloria La Riva / Eugene Puryear ( (Socialism & Liberation Party)  
Frank McEnulty / David Mangan ( New American Independent Party)  
Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente (Green Party)  
Brian Moore / Stewart Alexander ( Socialist Party)  
Ralph Nader / Matt Gonzalez ( Independent, Peace and Freedom Party)  
Ted Weill / Frank McEnulty (Reform Party)  

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November 20, 2008 7:32 PM
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RE: United States Presidential Election, 2008
Jacek, are you 85 ?
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November 21, 2008 10:33 AM
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Adelle Davis denounced this 50 years ago!
Originally written by Derek Thornton on November 21, 2008 12:41 AM

... one of the main drawbacks in the industrial production process of such cereals is the accumulation of acrylamide - a carcinogenic chemical classified as a probable human carcinogen in 1994. This was discovered in 1950 and although the accumulation of this chemical has been reduced, so far manufacturers have failed to find a way of totally eliminating this substance from appearing in the production process.

I went to my bookshelves and reached for my favorite book on nutrition, “Let’s Get Well”, written over 50 years ago by the great Adelle Davis.

 

Bertha

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Page 336, “Let’s Get Well” by Adelle Davis

 

"The multibillion dollar refined-food industry has gained such power that it keeps people in ignorance and literally controls the health of our nation. Its relentless radio, television, newspaper and magazine advertising reaches like the life-crushing tentacles of an octopus into every home. Half the space in our beautiful markets is given to health-destroying products which fill shoppers’ baskets to a frightening degree. Hundreds of magazines and newspapers depending on advertising income from the foodless food industry have carried articles and syndicated columns_ clever mixtures of truth, misinformation and propaganda _ particularly designed to prevent the slightest interest in nutrition from interfering with enormous profits."

 

"The refined-food industry, by giving untold millions, also controls a vast amount of nutritional research. Much of it is valuable indeed, but information that might harm sales goes unreported and problems whose solution could decrease profits remain uninvestigated."

 

[Adelle Davis graduated from the University of California at Berkeley, took postgraduate work at Columbia University and the University of California at Los Angeles. She received her Master of Science degree in biochemistry from the University of Southern California Medical School.  Later on she worked as a consulting nutritionist and planned individual diets for more than 20,000 individuals suffering from almost every known disease. She later gave up consulting work to devote her time to her family,writing and lecturing]

 



[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 21, 2008 10:36 AM]

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November 21, 2008 10:53 AM
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RE: Muscular American Feminism?

Originally written by John Bunch on November 21, 2008 1:02 AM

.. and I don't consider that to be that healthy (particularly if you factor in all that second-hand smoke you get in a typical German restaurant !).

 

Do Germans smoke inside a restaurant? Gee...


America has an incredibly diverse diet and you can eat every kind of food in the world in most moderate to big cities.

True. However, I would appreciate if you could give me the name of just one restaurant where I can eat *good* Chinese food. I have been to at least 5 different Chinese food restaurants until I decided to throw in the towel. The amount of fat and tendon in the chicken is close to scandalous. In Uruguay there are very good Chinese restaurants and if you happen to find the smallest bit of tendon, they will apologize and give you your money back. What is it with US Chinese restaurants?


Re hoping that Obama "will change the way Americans eat", I really hope that was a joke.

I wish Obama would mess with the way Americans eat and also with the refined-food industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical "industry". Someone has to put these crooks in their place. 

Bertha



[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 21, 2008 10:54 AM]

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November 21, 2008 11:27 AM
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RE: United States Presidential Election, 2008
You can get good food in the US.  You have to go to a health food store or local farm, but you can. 

Many people are going to starve to death and freeze to death this winter.   The unemployment rate is really high, and people cannot afford to feed themselves and heat their house.  I just heard on the radio yesterday that the food bank is very low. 

I feel guilty eating organic when someone out there has nothing to eat at all except for what they find in a garbage can.  Also in this economy I feel like I should building an emergency fund rather than spending all my money at Whole Paycheck.

I am all for getting rid of growth hormones and antibiotics in meat.  I am all for getting rid of msg in our food.  However, would this raise the price of our food and cause more people to go hungry? 

I would like to see the free lunch program expanded to include an after school snack.   Children should not be punished because their parents are unable to provide them with the basics.

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November 21, 2008 11:29 AM
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OFF TOPIC posts

Dear All,

Off topic posts often have the same natural flow found in real life conversation which is one of the reasons why I generally do not mind or even bother commenting on off topic posts. However...

Did anyone read Post #162487 ? If not, please do.

Nanna

 

 


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November 21, 2008 11:36 AM
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RE: OFF TOPIC posts

Nanna,

Since the last on-topic post here was Post #162334, would it be possible to simply move the entire pages that followed to the destination you have specified?

Jacek (guilty as charged)


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November 21, 2008 11:45 AM
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RE: OFF TOPIC posts
Originally written by Jacek Krankowski on November 21, 2008 5:36 PM

Nanna,

Since the last on-topic post here was Post #162334, would it be possible to simply move the entire pages that followed to the destination you have specified?

Jacek (guilty as charged)

I am guilty myself...

I wanted to avoid bad feelings and therefore tried a little humour (not my strong side) rather than move posts. But, yes I can move the posts...

Should I?

Nanna


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November 21, 2008 12:24 PM
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RE: OFF TOPIC posts
It's Bertha's turf.
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November 21, 2008 12:46 PM
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Getting back to the original post, I sat down and watched the entire Obama interview on national TV (I watched it on youtube). I have to admit, Obama is a very, very impressive guy. He handles things very well, is intelligent, and can speak intelligently on a broad range of issues. I wish him well in his presidency and I hope that he will "lead from the center". He has some very smart advisors and he has said, he will do anything, regardless if it comes from the the left or "from Reagan". I like that. Pragmatism is what we need (I personally don't think that "left" solutions work very well because they mostly result in a lack of transparency and choice, but oh well). But still, a very, very impressive guy, at least, when he speaks. 

On the other hand, the GOP (Republicans) have degenerated into a party that is "against" things. Against immigration. Against global warming actions, against "secularism", against stem cells. It has also, as the Economist pointed out, turned into the party of the "redneck" - the Jacksonian man who disdains books and hunts and fishes. The only problem is that the U.S. is no longer a rural nation, but an urban nation with more and more people gaining higher education degrees. If one looks at the Democrats as the "urban party", and the Republicans as the "rural party"(which it increasingly is), one sees the problem. 

And until the GOP finds a way back to talking in a clear, intelligent way about things that matter (cutting government waste, giving people more choices, pointing out how socialism does not work and backfires, being for lower taxes and more choices, etc.), I hope only that the party remains out of power and literally "in the wilderness". 

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Originally written by John Bunch on November 21, 2008 9:46 PM
 

...the GOP (Republicans) have degenerated into a party that is "against" things. Against immigration...
 
Immigration and illegal immigration are two very different things. Some Republicans, -not all of them- are against illegal immigration. Others, like McCain are "somewhat" for it. 
 
But don't worry. Janet Napolitano, our current Arizona Governor, recently refused to send the Arizona National Guard to the US-Mexico border claiming that the state did not have enough funds and saying she thought it was up to the Federal Government to make the "investment". She has done little or nothing to prevent illegal immigration here and, as it all looks like she will be the next Secretary of Homeland Security, more illegal aliens will be getting into the US. All of them will be able to sneak in, the decent ones along with the felons and the criminals. All in the same pot.
 
 
Bertha
 
 

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