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United States Presidential Election, 2008

Whether or not you are a US resident, who do you think will win the upcoming US presidential election and why?

 

 

Option Votes
Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic Party)  
John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican Party)  
Gene Amondson / Leroy Pletten ( Prohibition Party)  
Chuck Baldwin / Darrell Castle ( Constitution Party)  
Bob Barr / Wayne Allyn Root ( Libertarian Party)  
Roger Calero /Alyson Kennedy (Socialist Workers Party)  
Charles Jay / Thomas L. Knapp (Boston Tea Party)  
Alan Keyes / Wiley Drake ( Independent, America’s Independent Party)  
Gloria La Riva / Eugene Puryear ( (Socialism & Liberation Party)  
Frank McEnulty / David Mangan ( New American Independent Party)  
Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente (Green Party)  
Brian Moore / Stewart Alexander ( Socialist Party)  
Ralph Nader / Matt Gonzalez ( Independent, Peace and Freedom Party)  
Ted Weill / Frank McEnulty (Reform Party)  

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November 19, 2008 3:52 AM
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RE: Muscular American Feminism?
Originally written by Derek Thornton on November 17, 2008 3:20 PM

...and then this ex-commercial fisherman shows up looking like a million dollars and with a fantastic figure...

In relation to the Miss Alaska pageant and all that, The New Yorker has a story (available to subscribers only*) about another admirer of feminine beauty in politics--Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi who has survived some seventeen criminal trials without ultimately being convicted. According to the article's summary, when, in January, the prosecutor’s office in Naples indicted Berlusconi and issued a report depicting Italy’s state TV network, RAI, as an enormous casting couch that Berlusconi used to grant favors to aspiring actresses and to try to bring down the government, it had no impact. The difference with the US is that Silvio did win the last spring’s election. Obviously, Italians have a different sexual instinct than Americans.

Berlusconi has installed in the parliament, and even in his government, a number of former starlets who had gained fame in his TV empire. The article mentions Mara Carfagna, a former Miss Italy contestant who worked as a showgirl on Berlusconi’s TV stations before entering parliament. Also mentions Michela Vittoria Brambilla, another former Miss Italy contestant who is the Undersecretary for Tourism, and Mariastella Gelmini, the minister of education. Berlusconi talks openly about sex in public and his personal physician believes that Berlusconi’s biological age is actually fifteen years younger than his chronological age. Unfortunately, I am unable to copy and paste the New Yorker accompanying cartoon and I have no time for uploading games.

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Alexander Stille, Letter from Rome, “Girls! Girls! Girls!,” The New Yorker, November 3, 2008, p. 70


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November 19, 2008 10:57 AM
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RE: Muscular American Feminism?

Originally written by Elena Rodriguez on November 18, 2008 2:19 PM
hi bertha
How can you say that it is wrong to (think you can) do with your body what you choose to (ie, lead the way of life you choose to, dress the way you like..)... that is all we have for sure,... From the skin inwards, it is all mine. This does not necessarily equal being morbidly fat or having kilos of silicon implants... but even so, IF it is your choice, it is all yours, so you decide.
Enjoy your Pilates...and chocolates too!
Elena

Elena,

I neither said nor implied that it is wrong to do with your body what you choose. What I said is obese or grossly overweight women do not do with their body what they want to do; they just survive in it.

Here in the US we have a TV show, -"The Biggest Loser", where you can see grossly overweight individuals, who weigh from 250 to 390 pounds, go the extra mile to lose weight. They workout every day for hours on end, follow a very strict low-calorie diet, go through the most unbelievable physical and psychological challenges, all because they are sick and tired with leading an unhealthy life.

Just try asking three or four grossly overweight individuals if that's the body they want to live in and if they think that is the kind of unhealthy life they want to lead.

Concerning Pilates, an aunt of my husband's could no longer style her own hair because her arms got tired after only ten minutes holding her hair dryer above hear head. She started working on this Pilates machine (Pilates Pro Gym) and now she not only can style her own hair but she also feels like a new woman.

Concerning chocolates, I am lactose intolerant and I should only have lactose-free chocolates, which are not too easy to come by. [Sniff]. If you can find some and send them over, I will most certainly pig out.

Bertha

 

 



[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 19, 2008 11:03 AM]

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RE: United States Presidential Election, 2008


[Edited by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 19, 2008 11:34 AM]

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November 19, 2008 12:22 PM
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RE: Muscular American Feminism?

Originally written by Bertha S. Deffenbaugh on November 19, 2008 3:57 PM
I neither said nor implied that it is wrong to do with your body what you choose. What I said is obese or grossly overweight women do not do with their body what they want to do; they just survive in it. ... Just try asking three or four grossly overweight individuals if that's the body they want to live in and if they think that is the kind of unhealthy life they want to lead.

And just try asking three or four grossly underweight individuals the same thing! I have a constant struggle to keep my wife's weight up. If we don't keep at it, her weight starts to fall and she is in tears at the way she thinks she looks. I weigh about twice as much as she does for approximately the same height and I have the same fight but in the other direction.

It is not a matter of what we eat. We both eat the same kind of food: mostly whole wheat flour bread, vegetables and fruit and only nominal amounts of meat, no packaged foods, just natural fresh stuff, exactly what the medicine men recommend. But when it comes to the meals, we have to eat separately because she wants to pile half her meal onto my plate and I fight continuously to put as much as I can of mine onto hers. Half does not sound much but it means that I am eating three times as much as she eats! You can put on weight and lose weight eating 100% healthy food! There is something else at play here and it could be genetics - try fighting them!

I go to bed feeling sure that I have eaten far too much again and she goes to bed crying that she still feels hungry and is wasting away to nothing. We were not always like this. We were once about the same weight. Something has happened and nobody knows for sure what that something is.

Overweight people have it good because there is always something that they can do about it if they want to, even if only in theory - exercise more and eat less - but there is nothing much that underweight people can do, eating more and exercising less just does not produce the desired result.

During the election I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger criticize Barack Obama because of his weedy look. My bet is that Obama will lose weight fast in the White House until it eventually becomes a health problem.

Derek


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November 19, 2008 12:46 PM
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RE: Muscular American Feminism?

What a relief to finally hear a story I can relate to in such a detail, Derek! With the exception of "I fight continuously to put as much as I can of my [food] onto her [plate]"... Oh, never! 

(And again, today, more of that stupid omnipresent advice that never works, yes, against genetics:

  • How I Lost 30 Pounds in 3 Months While Never Going Hungry
  • How I Lost 30 Pounds In 3 Months Without Being Hungry Part2)
  • Jacek (desperately and hopelessly munching rice cakes...)


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    RE: Muscular American Feminism?
    I was talking to a man who I considered very fit, with very low body fat percentage (apparently, and from what he told me). And he suddenly made a comment to me: "If there is a famine, I would be the first to die". It suddenly occurred to me that my extra 15 pounds, rather than being a liability, from an evolutionary and genetic point of view, is probably an advantage. That extra fat store no doubt has evolutionary purposes. At least, I think so. That is also I think why the final 10 pounds is so hard to take off.
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    RE: Muscular American Feminism?
    Originally written by John Bunch
    That extra fat store no doubt has evolutionary purposes. At least, I think so. That is also I think why the final 10 pounds is so hard to take off.


    Indeed, many evolutionary biologists believe that certain human populations have genetically adapted to store fat in anticipation of famine, among these are Polynesians, some American Indians, and some African tribes, as well as their descenants (many African-American women seem predisposed to store fat in their posterior, which many African-American men find sexually attractive, proving that evolution is quite beautiful in its own way).
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    November 19, 2008 1:41 PM
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    RE: Muscular American Feminism?
    Hi Bertha

    The truth is that, being a translator, I am beginning to worry about so much misunderstanding.
    One thing was Derek's comment about recent mothers not dedicating enough efforts to keep their looks up to standard (Pallin's?), -that is what I responded to, missing on his sense of humour- and another thing is talking about morbidly obese people.
    I agree obese people, when it is a disease, don't have a choice, and will surely feel unhappy therefore. Aren't we just talking about different things?
    Sincerely meant "enjoy your chocolates and Pilates". I enjoy cooking, eating and drinking (it is kind of the national sport here), nothing negative about it.
    Carpe Diem
    (Que disfrutes de los bombones, del ejercicio, y de todos los placeres de la vida, que son dos días....-sin segundas, es un deseo sincero-)
    Cheers!!

    PS.: I will see about lactose free chocolate.


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    RE: Muscular American Feminism?

    Originally written by John Bunch on November 19, 2008 6:51 PM
    It suddenly occurred to me that my extra 15 pounds, rather than being a liability, from an evolutionary and genetic point of view, is probably an advantage. 

    Caveat:

    Excess body mass index (BMI) is a well-known predictor of morbidity and mortality, Dr Jensen says, but many now suggest that waist circumference is a more beneficial measure. http://www.imwr.com/issues/articles/2007-05_14.asp

    However, measurement of WC as a preferable determinant of cardiovascular and metabolic risks is increasingly gaining popularity in recent years. That WC is indeed a better index than BMI as a measure of obesity among the Chinese has been recently reported in both Chinese men, women... http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-128075132.html


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    November 19, 2008 2:28 PM
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    RE: Muscular American Feminism?
    Derek,

    Maybe she should have her thyroid checked?  Maybe she needs more fats like coconut oil or olive oil?  Maybe she needs more protein?  Have you ever heard of the Traditional Foods diet?  I think it is by Weston A Price.  The only thing we do differently than him is that I can't have the casein in milk, and he is really into raw milk and butter.  Some people actually do better with animal protein from cage-free chicken or pastured beef (like people with adrenal problems).  I understand that some people are morally opposed to eating meat, but some people thrive on it.

    I hope you don't mind responding to what you wrote.  I can relate to what your wife is going through.

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