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Think English!
"Think Foreign" I should have named this... But I still remember my University years and a British professor repeating over and over: "Think English! You must speak English, you must read English, you must write English, and you must THINK English!" She was an excellent teacher! Then as a literary translator I found I`d better NOT think foreign. Now I`m not so sure... A person socializing with foreigners should think foreign; an interpreter should think both foreign and native; a translator should think - native or foreign?
So, in your opinion, A TRANSLATOR SHOULD:
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RE: Think English!

Originally written by Dodo Kaipdodo on November 21, 2007 9:58 PM

"Think Foreign" I should have named this...

On second thoughts, is it possible to really think foreign? Except perhaps for ones who have lived abroad for years, I mean?

It`s not just language, it`s the environment and things... Can a Scandinavian think like an African? Can Orientals truly understand westerners, and vice versa? Is it possible to translate without that kind of deep understanding?

Well, good translations happen, so it seems to be possible. Is it because

Originally written by Marisa Paván on December 3, 2007 6:54 PM

 the thought is languageless

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Dikirim:
30 Nopember 2011 15:31
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RE: Think English!

I voted to think both seems like I am a Bilingual. FYI, Bilingual person is often think both the languages because the person tend to code-switch. Anyway, there is no right or wrong if you think what language, but I strongly agreed, if you want to improve English, just keep on thinking in English.

Thank you,


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RE: Think English!

 "Bilingual" is a convenient word because it carries two slightly different meanings:

 

Definitions of bilingual

1. [adj] - using or knowing two languages

2. [n] - a person who speaks two languages fluently
http://www.webdictionary.co.uk/definition.php?query=bilingual

One of the above definitions implies fluency, the other not necessarily.

bilingual: using or able to use two languages especially with equal fluency
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bilingual

"Especially" implies not necessarily.

Using or able to use two languages, especially with equal or nearly equal fluency.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bilingual

Containing, or consisting of, two languages
http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/bilingual/

 


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RE: Think English!

In linguistics, code-switching is the concurrent use of more than one language, or language variety, in conversation. Multilinguals—people who speak more than one language—sometimes use elements of multiple languages in conversing with each other. Thus, code-switching is the use of more than one linguistic variety in a manner consistent with the syntax and phonology of each variety.

Code-switching is distinct from other language contact phenomena, such as borrowing, pidgins and creoles, loan translation (calques), and language transfer (language interference). Speakers form and establish a pidgin language when two or more speakers who do not speak a common language form an intermediate, third language. On the other hand, speakers practice code-switching when they are each fluent in both languages. Code mixing is a thematically related term, but the usage of the terms code-switching and code-mixing varies. Some scholars use either term to denote the same practice, while others apply code-mixing to denote the formal linguistic properties of said language-contact phenomena, and code-switching to denote the actual, spoken usages by multilingual persons. [1][2][3][Read More]


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RE: Think English!

Originally written by Zulfadli Rosli on November 30, 2011 3:57 PM

Multilinguals—people who speak more than one language ....

speakers practice code-switching when they are each fluent in both languages.

That article is playing, then, on the same ambiguity I pointed out before, without clarifying it. For example, I "speak" Spanish because I can read it but I would be unable to converse in it. So I am, er, "bilingual" (and even "multilingual") but my code-switching between Polish and Spanish is scarce.

Originally written by Jacek K. on March 27, 2011 1:18 PM

30 years ago I was very surprised to discover in a certain country that it was common to include on your CV among languages spoken also languages that you not exactly spoke but just had some basic notions of. So maybe now this kind of attitude has simply become global. 


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