Yet nowhere there did we talk about how to read out loud the year we are now in -- 2010.
Unless Derek corrects me that this is strictly a matter of personal preference and will stay that way, I want to poll all the three of you, regular posters who are English native speakers, in the hope of gauging the current state of usage. Do you say "twenty ten" or do you say "two thousand ten"? See http://www.arcamax.com/vocabulary/s-687033-265555:
Should we pronounce the current year as "two thousand ten" or "twenty ten"?
For the past 10 years, most language authorities have quietly tolerated "two thousand one," "two thousand two," etc.
Not anymore. Citing brevity ("two thousand ten" has four syllables; "twenty ten" has three) and precedent (our great-grandparents said "nineteen ten"), they insist that we take the training wheels off the 21st century and say "twenty ten."
NOTE: I have also included "Other" should you never pronounce "2010" always preferring to write it or switch to other languages at that point.
I voted for the first option, but had to think a while, for I realized that I have been using two thousand and one, and so on up to two thousand and nine, whereas 2010 became two thousand ten.
Thinking back, I also say nineteen hundred and one and so on up to 1910 when it becomes nineteen ten. I have no idea whether this is correct or not, but since I've spent so much time in Canada and the US, I suspect that I picked it up as part of plain speech.
I should add that I am aware of the discrepancy between two thousand ten and nineteen ten. Since I use nineteen ten why not use twenty ten? I don't know!
I look forward to reading what others have to say.
Nanna
[Edited by Nanna Mercer on Sunday, February 07, 2010 15:11]
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RE: How do you say 2010?
Originally written by Nanna M. on February 7, 2010 9:01 PM
I look forward to reading what others have to say.
Native speakers only, please... I myself feel like checking Option 1, but this poll is not for us.
(An aside to Laurent, concerning that/who. I would let the English forum moderator decide whether there is enough potential for that topic to go beyond that exchange between two native speakers, which is over.)
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RE: How do you say 2010?
Hey folks,
It's both.
I say out loud either "two thousand ten" or "twenty ten" in English depending on the context and the audience, on a daily basis.
It just depends who I'm talking with.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. However, there are different Rome's.
Don't intimidate audience by using a form that goes against their usage, which can result in resistance. If you don't know, use what you would normally use, and if you hear they say it differently, then consider adapting to their usage. It establishes bridges rather than building walls.
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RE: How do you say 2010?
Originally written by Jeff Allen on February 8, 2010 12:27 PM
It establishes bridges rather than building walls.
That may be particularly important in the following interpreting situation mentioned in the FT article I linked to in Post #194315:
Ms Sebastian has spent 20 years working for western companies in Asia. She says executives who are unused to interpreters often make the mistake of looking at the interpreter instead of building a rapport with their opposite number through eye contact.
Needless to say, I find the situation when executives look at me, the interpreter, to be one of the most challenging and rewarding moments during consecutive interpreting assignments, so I definitely do not want to alienate them.
[Edited by J. K. on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 04:54]
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RE: How do you say 2010?
Originally written by J. K. on February 8, 2010 4:50 PM
That may be particularly important in the following interpreting situation mentioned in the FT article I linked to in Post #194315: Ms Sebastian has spent 20 years working for western companies in Asia. She says executives who are unused to interpreters often make the mistake of looking at the interpreter instead of building a rapport with their opposite number through eye contact.
Except that this "mistake" is the interpreter's fault and not the executives' who are indeed "unused to working with interpreters" and therefore should not be expected to know any better, whereas the real professional interpreter should know how to ensure that he/she is not the focus of the executive's attention, how to foster the rapport between the 2 parties, and how to become virtually "invisible". Re. your quote about finding that "the situation when executives look at me, the interpreter, to be one of the most rewarding moments during consecutive interpreting assignments", this would be exactly the wrong attitude to be effective as an interpreter. Interpreting isn't for big egos: the test for success and the most rewarding outcome is precisely when you can be quasi-invisible and make people actually forget you're there, and act solely as a transparent medium of communication between them.
The Times article is very interesting, Jacek. From my personal experience, it contains nothing but excellent advice. This client's perspective might be very useful not just for prospective clients but also for consecutive interpreters (whether juniors, wannabes or even professionals who think they know their job!). Of course, I would have added a point about "Hire freelance interpreters directly - don't rely on Agencies who know nothing about interpreting and who'll send you just anybody from their portfolio who's free on that day"! Would you mind posting the link also in the TC Interpreter forum?
dominique
PS: this is completely off-topic BTW, but then it's your thread and YOU chose to drift off topic, so I don't really feel too guilty! About your poll, I didn't vote since I am not a native English speaker, but I hear plenty of those in my conferences and meetings: financial people say "the twenty-ten outlook/forecast/Ebitda...", while others seem to prefer saying "in two thousand ten, we're planning to restructure the entire company..." or "two thousand ten looks promising for our business unit". So I would agree with Jeff: "it depends".
[Edited by d f on Monday, February 08, 2010 16:29]
Originally written by dominique f. on February 8, 2010 7:36 PM
Interpreting isn't for big egos: the test for success and the most rewarding outcome is precisely when you can be quasi-invisible and make people actually forget you're there, and act solely as a transparent medium of communication between them.
This is not always possible to achieve, though. For example, when interpreting interrogations for the police (though I realise that’s quite a different situation from the business-based one quoted in the article), the person being interrogated will often not only look at and focus on you as an interpretator, rather than the actual interrogator, but also frequently ask/beg you directly for help, since they automatically see in you an ally: someone who speaks their language.
As for the poll, I guess I’ll be the odd one out here: I find ‘twenty-ten’ to be rather odd and unnatural sounding. I’d say ‘two thousand (and) ten’ without hesitation, but I don’t think I’d ever naturally say ‘twenty-ten’.
This could, of course, very well be partly because I’m not a native English speaker (and as such, I didn’t vote), and in my Danish native tongue, ‘twenty-ten’ is simply not an option. Despite her own theory of having adapting her way of saying years from her time spent in North America, I suspect that this is also a strong contributing factor in Nanna’s choice of format here.
[Edited by Janus Jacquet on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 02:15]
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